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$2 instead of a penny

I can't recall ever having to spend a penny in Australia but I read that we used to have to pay to use public toilets. I've paid for the privilege in quite a few European countries, usually to an old hag perched on a stool at the entrance to the toilet building. Some facilities were almost salubrious, with flowers and clean mirrors and handbasins, others filthy with doorless cubicles. Many had holes in the floor in lieu of what are known over there as English toilets, and one or two had no cubicles. If the only thing we owed the Poms was civilised toilet facilities, we should be more grateful than we are.

As I write in my column today, my driving up north during holidays in the past fortnight brought home to me again the dearth of public or publicly accessible toilets. Like children, pregnant women and old codgers (did your eyebrow flicker?), when I need to go I need to go, and that lends a certain excruciation to the search. Yes, there is an excellent government-funded service at www.toiletmap.gov.au, and it tells me now that there are five public toilets in Bellingen. It wasn't me who had the problem there - I nipped into the pub, where I don't look at all out of place. It was my wife, and when she refused to nip into the bar despite the mounting need we worked out a plan for her to go through the restaurant at the rear of the pub, pausing to read the menu on the way to allay suspicion!

Public toilets are seldom where we need them. Sure, shopping centres, Maccas, pubs, some service stations and some parks have them, but of those the only publicly provided toilets are in parks. Some parks. And in some parks they're likely to be locked, which is more than disappointing when you've sprinted across the grass.

I say we should return to the days of spending a penny. Yes, it would be more than a penny, perhaps $1, and I dare say the value of the penny then is close to the value of a dollar today. It occurs to me now, though, that I paid more than the equivalent of $1 in some of Europe's public toilets. Perhaps $2.

Paying for use would not cover the cost of providing toilets in such places as retail strips and at more frequent intervals on highways but it would at least subsidise the cost of keeping them clean and safe.

I've read of a campaign to have shops open their toilets to the public, and to display signs to that effect, but, frankly, if that gets off the ground I can't see it staying off the ground for long.

Are you happy to spend $2?

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Jeff, in your travells you may notice more rest area's are being provided along major highways. these are ideal when travelling, but around town, yes we do have a problem. I recall an earlier article, re road side piddlers. OK discreetly out in the country but again in town what does one do? I personly sneak into all of the previous suggested watering holes.
Posted by intouch, 27/04/2009 11:11:05 PM
Yes, intouch, I have noticed them on the highways and one an hour or so north of Newcastle seems to be quite an extensive arrangement.
Posted by Jeff Corbett on 28/04/2009 10:28:10 AM
I would be only too happy to part with my two dollars as long as i am not harassed by men using public toilets for sex with other men. like when you use the public toilets at swansea, and i am sure at many other places. Such homosexuals who loiter in toilets have caused many public toilets to be closed!
Posted by micko61, 28/04/2009 8:59:54 AM
If you had to pay to get inside the cubicle it would stop junkies and taggers wandering in and out using toilets for other purposes. If you actually had to pay to operate the toilet I believe people would go somewhere else, maybe 30cm to the left.
Posted by neilabraham, 28/04/2009 9:43:16 AM
Good point neil.
Posted by Jeff Corbett on 28/04/2009 10:22:08 AM
As someone who spends half my time living in England (other half is a Brit), I know that its a practice that works well in the UK and Europe. At major train stations in London (Victoria Station, Charing Cross, and so on), it costs 20 pence for a visit to the dunny (about 50 cents) - they are clean, no loiterers, have security staff and attendants! Its 50 cents well spent! I'd happily pay $1 to visit a dunny here, provided that they were clean and secure, and I didn't have to step over some drunk, or avoid standing in puddles or urine! User pees is a great system!
Posted by King Idiot, 28/04/2009 10:26:54 AM
As I grab my pecker in shear exhaustion for looking for a public toilet in Newcastle City, I thought to myself why not look up www.toiletmap.gov.au on my laptop. After 5 minutes of my laptop loading up & me keeling over in pain from holding it in, I look up Newcastle City to find the nearest public toilet & it said to go to the end of Newcastle mall near the public transport area at the beginning of the mall. As I grab my black & decker pecker wrecker & make my dash for the toilet, I get to the bus stop area....Alas, the bloody thing (the bus stops haunted toilet) has been pulled down & by this time I was just about crawling on my knees with tears rolling down my cheeks, grabbing my genital area like there was no tomorrow, wondering why www.toiletmap.gov.au lied to me ? (fist shaking towards the heavens..."Why") And then I worked it out.... This is how the rap dancing craze started in Newcastle, they pulled the public toilets down & that is when you will find that people started doing stupid dances due to full bladders in the mall & you will find that they couldn't make it past the front doors of David Jones... That is why they used to take their own lino & Mr Sheen, buff up the lino & head spin their way to the next nearest public toilet that looks & smells like it has never been cleaned in its lifetime .....Ahhhhhh, the smell of our public urinals, If I could only get my own toilet to smell & look like a Council cleaned one... I would have no need to go to the toilet at all !
Posted by Elmer fudd, 28/04/2009 10:28:50 AM
In times of great need I would be very happy to spend $1 or $2 towards cleaning, specially as one becomes older. However in the early stages of "need" by pressing one's tongue firmly against the roof of the mouth, the urge can be delayed for some time. Try it next time. It really does work!!! PS I finally did "a blog". This is my 1st one.
Posted by An Odyssey, 28/04/2009 11:24:44 AM
Welcome aboard, Odyssey! And I'll try the tongue trip in about 15 minutes.
Posted by Jeff Corbett on 28/04/2009 11:31:21 AM
Good to have you back Jeff. Will your new camper have on board toilet facilities?
Posted by chaff and oats, 28/04/2009 11:59:30 AM
I would pay almost any price for a clean toilet. Having spent several years as a sales rep travelling around NSW, I am more than qualified to talk about public/available toilets. And i have to say the winners are Macdonalds and Pubs. I have no qualms about entering either places to use their facilities. I would never in a million years eat at McDonalds (I actually like to eat real food that tastes nice) - but I am forever grateful for their clean facilities. Public toilets are usually horrible places and I just can't use them - and yes they are often places for trading sex or drugs so I would rather hold on. Lets face it in our society McDonalds and Pubs are everywhere so there is no need to hold on. What I wonder with paying for public toilets is who would 'man' them?? I dont think there would be many Australians who would jump at that job. How would you answer when someone asks "So what do you do?" It would be another case for importing labour????? Speaking of labour...... mine happened 10th April.... My little one decided to make an early appearance and we had a weeks stay at JHH. My partner was on the Great North Walk (Syd to Ncl through bushland) raising money for the Hunter Retrieval Service (westpac rescue helicopter).He was camped on Mt Warrawalong at the time so was able to contact him and send in a friend to retrieve him. He made it with two hours to spare. We are home and happy! So now I am becoming an expert on mothers rooms. David Jones in the mall has lovely clean facilities and whats more I can catch a train to the city.... (for how much longer).
Posted by leahkf, 28/04/2009 12:29:40 PM
Crikey, Elmer Fudd! You been sniffing the Mr Sheen? Personally, I avoid public toilets, and would use one only in the most dire circumstances, at which time I would happily pay $5 or $10. I suppose $1 or $2 is cheap, if it means the undesirable patrons are kept away. Facilities in Europe are generally good, although the range is wide, and includes a hole in the ground [sometimes with a nearby bucket of water], to those space age ones in Paris, with automatic doors and auto flushing etc. Very civilised indeed. Asking shopkeepers to open their facilities to the proles is a sure-fire way to increase the price of everything, and Council planners would have a field day. The dunnies would end up bigger than the shop.
Posted by Abundance, 28/04/2009 1:13:02 PM
congratulations leahkf i'm sure your as happy as a pig in mud. all the best.i guess you had a girl ???
Posted by chaff and oats, 28/04/2009 1:53:25 PM
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