Whats more concerning Jeff is that i think people are getting TV and reality mixed up. Do we blame all the reality TV for this? I dont know. But the amount of people writing RIP Carl Williams in their facebook status and all the RIP Carl Williams facebook groups popping up is unbelievable. Just because you saw a tv series with a charactor named Carl Williams does not mean you lived in his world, and does not mean you know him. It is sickening. Actually its quite concerning of the future and you can see it with the violence that seems to be pore prevelant today. More violence on TV, more violent computer games and it seems more and more people are getting fiction and reality confused.

My grandfather who was born in 1901 said he could never understand the admiration for a common criminal such as Ned Kelly.

Carl Williams, or any other thug, should not be glorified in any way, shape or form. The media are often responsible for making people famous or infamous. We want news reports but should we glamourise these peoples lifestyles? So many copy cat crims would seem to say that we shouldnt. When found guilty, Carl Williams should have been put to death. As should anyone found guilty of murder. Instead we are willing to cough up our taxes to feed and house this scum for years and years and years. I recall that it costs over one hundred thousand dollars a year to keep someone in jail. And then, when he gets killed in jail we are going to pay compensation to his daughter... and his wife is going to sell her story to a womens magazine for a quarter of a million dollars... we are so dumb. If there is absolutely no doubt about their guilt - execute them. If someone was to murder your loved one, how would you feel every time you get paid knowing that a little bit of your taxes was going to house and feed your loved ones killer? doesn't make sense to me. i know its not always black and white but in many cases it is.

Carl Williams and his associates only made their money because of the prohibition of ecstasy in Australia, like those who made their fortunes in the US in the 1920's during the prohibition of alcohol. History will judge these people as people who continued to provide a drug the community demanded, and we will see the prohibition of ecstasy as a failure of governments past.

reading about this carl williams bloke and his ex and the rest of their mates has been as interesting as watching grass grow. It unfortunately is what people want. Think 'ill go watch a kung fu movie

Celebrity, whilst fleeting, tends to be in the here and now, we can touch and be a part of "it". Fame goes on forever. Williams and Co could only be considered "infamous" , just look at Roberta's cheap scramble to reconnect with her failed celebrity status. Once a moll always a moll. Hands up those that have EVER slowed down at a car accident? Cause your doing it now.

I think it's very sad that criminal grubs who profit from the misery of others are held up as celebrities - they may be "famous" for their escapades but it is the tabloid media and shows such as the underbelly series that encourages misplaced hero worship - why give these scum the time of day - if we treated the real heroes in our community to the same media promotion we may actually see a change in , particularly our youths , attitudes - by heroes I mean emergency services personnel , doctors and nurses , the countless community volunteers that help our society actually work. Good news stories are unfortunately too few these days.

Wow, Jeff, you're really reeling them out this week... Williams was low-life scum. A brainless thug who made his money on other people's misery. I loathe the thousands of Facebook wannabes that write their messages of support for him and his ilk; all seeking some kind of fame by association themselves. It's a very sad cultural shift. Even comparing Ned Kelly and Carl Williams together is an abomination in my book. Yes Ned Kelly was a criminal, but his wronging by the justice system and opression by the law at the time pushed him there. Carl Williams willingly walked there out of greed

Jeff I wouldn't say that Carl Williams became a celebrity through the tv show. I would say he gained a level of notoriety. John Ibrahim is another matter. I think he portrays himself as a celebrity (in gossip columns). The Underbelly show has certainly opened my eyes to the level of police corruption that was going on.

Such is the power of TV that common criminals are now looked up to by persons who have never been on the receiving end of their trade or viciousness - same deal with motor cycle outlaw gangs who fall a considerable distance from attaining Robin Hood status. About time the media began to portray these people for what they are instead of ensuring ratings.