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Changing your vote

We've heard about lowering the voting age to 16 and introducing online voting, but for most people that's about the sum total of the cover of the Federal Government's electoral reform green paper released just over a week ago. There is much more up for discussion in the 260-page document, and much more of a much greater impact than even lowering the voting age. As you know, by the way, the Greens and Labor support giving the vote to 16 and 17 year olds and the Liberals don't, and that's a reliable indication of how the lowered voting age would affect these parties.

You'll see the link to the second green paper on www.pmc.gov.au. The first electoral reform green paper, released late last year, had to do largely with political donations and campaign funding.

In my column in The Herald today I have a necessarily brief look at a few more of the issues raised by the second discussion paper. They include extending the vote to permanent residents who are not citizens and, if not, taking the vote from the Poms who were enrolled before 1984 and who've kept the vote without citizenship, increasing or reducing the current jail term of three years as disqualifying a prisoner from voting, abolishing compulsory voting, and making preferential voting for the House of Representatives optional.

Of course, there's always the option of keeping our voting arrangements exactly as they are now. I'm inclined to the view that those arrangements are open to improvement even if the system we have now does seem to work. It leads to a change of government every decade or so, although those intervals may be too long.

If you don't have time for the full paper, the conclusion, chapter 15, at the above-mentioned link lists issues for discussion. So, tell us, should we keep the vote to ourselves, should we be more inclusive, should we be forced to vote, and should we be forced to vote preferentially for people we detest? And should we punt the Poms?

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I think that we should not have compulsory voting. I know that people don't HAVE to vote - they just need to show up and have their named ticked off the list, but I think compulsory voting massively affects the result. I have worked as a polling official, and the number of people who are only there because they have to be there is astonishing! In the UK, voting is NOT compulsory, nor in the US, and I know some people who don't vote and simply say that they do not know engouhg about each party to make an informed decision. Many say that they are stupid, but I think its a sensible decision, and one that they are comfortable with. Thats the one big difference I would make!
Posted by King Idiot, 2/10/2009 9:23:23 AM, on The Herald
(1) Voting should be restricted to Australian citizens. Why should anyone else have a say? (2) Voting age should emain 18. Who wants a 16 or 17 year old having a say? Have you seen some of these people? With respect, they have no idea, and little interest. [I know most adults don't either, but most adults are idiots]. (3) Preferential voting should be optional. Most of the idiots I referred to above wouldn't understand the system after a million years of explaining. (4) Voting should be optional. If any person of voting age is so apathetic ~ so utterly disinterested and hopeles ~ that they can't bother to have a say once every few years, then leave them out of the system. Let them go buy bumper stickers that say "Apathetic, but don't care". They can stick them on their 15 year old Hyundai Excels.
Posted by Abundance, 2/10/2009 9:49:51 AM, on The Herald
Abundance, your argument is farcical. People who are 16+ may legally drive cars, fly aeroplanes, engaged in paid employment (and therefore pay income tax), marry with court approval, copulate without anyone's approval, etc, etc, etc - to deny them the vote is immoral. NO TAXATION WITHOUT REPRESENTATION. Yes, doubtless many 16 year olds are too clueless to cast a meaningful vote, but this applies to all age groups - just look at the dolts who consistently vote Labor in Newcastle, and all of them are 18 or older. Reforms should be thus: 1. End compulsory voting. 2: Lower age to 16. 3: Citizens only to vote. 4: Optional preferential voting for all houses at all levels of Government. 5: Open slather on political donations with FULL and FRANK discolsure required on all material promoting candidates and widely distributed on the web - any attempts to limit donations will invite further and dodgier corruption as people find ways around the restrictions.
Posted by Scott Hillard, 2/10/2009 10:03:18 AM, on The Herald
I find it interesting that Abundance seemed so quick to criticise all and sundry in society, yet he / she is unable to spell. Not all young people are idiots, that's why I choose to work with them rather than adults.
Posted by boo, 2/10/2009 10:09:43 AM, on The Herald
You might be right, Scott. Maybe we lower the age to 16, and accept that 95% of them won't even know there's an election on.
Posted by Abundance, 2/10/2009 10:13:51 AM, on The Herald
Scott to limit the vote to "Citizens only to vote yur point 3, is may I steel your line, also "farcical". we have many non citizens contributing to the coffers of the the relevant government bodies, via taxes, levies etc. Many of these people are high income earners and should have a say in where the tax, levies etc are used. Being a Australian Citizen and having worked in the US on a green card for many years, contrubiting to the US system by way of taxes, and not being able to vote is not a fair way of doing things. If a person contributes to the economy by way of taxes then they should have a say. As a non citizen (work visa) in Australia contruites far more for education and medical then a citizen
Posted by Gone, 2/10/2009 10:18:08 AM, on The Herald
I'm just worried that Abundance has the right to vote.
Posted by jon, 2/10/2009 10:34:34 AM, on The Herald
what else can be added? Seems all bases are well covered in the preceeding posts. Well blogged. S~H & A~ !
Posted by careercriminals, 2/10/2009 10:54:04 AM, on The Herald
interesting topic. What the thoughts on making voting optional for 16-18yr olds? Not compulsory, but if they care enough to have an opinion then should they have an opportunity? I have reservations, as i think that coming straight out of school with its heavily left leaning education policies they will tend to lean that way as well. Monkey see - monkey do.
Posted by Perspective, 2/10/2009 11:34:00 AM, on The Herald
Hi, Boo. I can spell, but make many typos. Sorry for any offence caused. You probably should continue to work with children.
Posted by Abundance, 2/10/2009 11:49:09 AM, on The Herald
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