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Degrees of education

ONE friend has a university degree and the other doesn’t, and the degreed friend feels the need often enough to mention his higher education to our non-degreed friend.

This irritates my non-degreed friend, and it raises in my mind the matter of so-called higher education and the questions of whether a university degree and only a university degree confers higher education.

The questions arise because my non-degreed friend is highly educated. He has two trades, quite a number of TAFE qualifications gained in the course of those apprenticeships and later, the experience of a number of occupations, and any number of skills and knowledge sets developed in what is sometimes described as self education. Time and again I have marvelled at his capacity to work mentally through practical and abstract problems. He is an exceptionally clever man.

But, some will say, cleverness is not education. But, I say, cleverness is the capacity to reason, to think, and isn’t the capacity to think, to reason, the thrust of what universities claim to impart?

Universities have been on a mission for at least a decade to take from TAFE and other organisations the qualifying role for a great many occupations, and the occupations themselves have been delighted by this because their practitioners believe the degree will lift the occupation’s status.

The result is that a rapidly increasing proportion of people in many occupations are now highly educated, and by that I mean they have the benefit of what is seen as the higher education offered by university, and a dwindling proportion of people, the incumbents, have just the tertiary education provided by TAFE. Some, like me, have merely further education, the on-the-job training of a cadetship.

In some occupations this is creating conflict between the degreed and the experienced, between theory and practice, and nursing is one such occupation. Journalism is free of the conflict, possibly because a journalist's worth is so starkly evident.

There has always been a division between those with a degree and without a degree in the community, and until a decade or so ago those with a degree were the superior minority. It seems that those of us without a degree are becoming the minority, the inferior minority.

The monopoly of the degreed on the capacity to think didn’t matter when most of us didn’t have a degree, but it’s time the few of us left challenged both that monopoly and the higher in higher education.

Do you believe experience is being discounted in the rush for degrees? Should we challenge the attitude that universities have a monopoly on higher education and the capacity to think?

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A recruitment agent once told me that a degree doesnt mean much, but when you're young and starting out in an industry it shows employers that you are committed to that field and can see through something that takes a number of years to complete - I think that's pretty spot on.

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Posted by Fnord, 18/02/2012 5:14:15 AM
This incessant drive to higher education and scraps of paper to hang on the wall is one of the main reasons we are running short of tradespersons. Who wants to start an apprenticeship when he/she is around 19 years of age. This age should be just about finishing their apprenticeship, not starting one. Some occupations require a high degree of education while others, not to the same degree.
Posted by MizJasper, 18/02/2012 7:54:02 AM, on The Herald
I believe that Australia is being buggered because someone who has been to university for a couple of years is handed a piece of paper saying they are an expert when they totally lack any actual on the job experience.

Also they are taught by Academics who are detched from reality.

The old system where you started at the bottom and learnt how things actually worked was the best way .

Posted by Crazyivan, 18/02/2012 8:53:25 AM, on The Herald
My generation were pushed by their parents into getting a 'good education'. The baby boomer surplus of tradesmen meant that during the early 90's apprenticeships were scarce. I meandered through a Uni degree and am no doubt better for it. I would give it all back in a nanosecond to have been accepted for one of the many trades apprenticeships i missed out on all those years ago. They say common sense aint so common any more. I believe it is because so many 'educated' youngsters have not actually experienced life until they are in their 20's after graduating rather than in their late teens.
Posted by Realist, 18/02/2012 8:59:20 AM, on The Herald
As you say, Mr Corbett, "a journalist's worth is . . . starkly evident".

Assessment: You make a fairly superficial differentiation between people with uni education and those without, many of whom you regard as "clever" (which I take to mean innately intelligent). Where your argument falls down is in your equivocal conclusions, a persistent problem in your recent work. It is unclear whether you are arguing that the uneducated & the "clever" should be challenging the orthodoxy that uni qualifications are necessary or desirable in professions today. More thinking needed here.

Mark: 4/10

Posted by Hank Williams, 18/02/2012 9:44:11 AM, on The Herald
Do you think Hank has a degree? This is quite wonderful.
Posted by Jeff Corbett on 19/02/2012 11:13:46 AM
I have an Australian University Post Graduate Diploma but I haven't got a Degree!!!!....Where does that put me? Superior minority or Inferior minority?
Posted by Laurent, 18/02/2012 9:47:14 AM, on The Herald
I have a degree and I am extremely proud of it. However I do not underestimate or place no value on the knowledge and skills gained by those who have never stepped foot inside a university. There is this false perception by the non degreed that all degreed people feel they are superior to everyone else. Not true, I think it is maybe more of an inferiority complex from the non degreed. We can't all be academic, I am, but I cannot, for the life of me, fix my car or drive a truck or lay bricks. We are all good at something, but cannot all be good at everything.
Posted by DaveM, 18/02/2012 11:40:01 AM, on The Herald
I think entry level requirements for uni's today keep a lot of talented people from taking this road. A lot of people with uni degrees are taking big positions in industrys that they have not even made the price of a beer out of it and suddenly the are "experts" (drips under pressure) telling more experienced people what to do. Give me the school of hard knocks any day with a diploma from lifes experiences to match. There were some years in my agency business that I made more than my accountant and it used to irk him no end. We are still friends though. I still want my doctor to have a degree
Posted by Bush Bunny, 18/02/2012 11:51:57 AM, on The Herald
Have you seen your doctor's degree, BB? Checked its authenticity? Does it matter where the degree came from?
Posted by Jeff Corbett on 19/02/2012 11:15:40 AM
I see no difference between Uni & TAFE if it results in a qualification leading into a job, which I'm sure is the main reason people study! I have a Uni degree that I believe is useless & did not play a part in securing any of my close-to-minimum-wage jobs. Lol. I refuse to get any more qualifications because A) I am lazy & unmotivated & don't want a McMansion; & B) I don't believe there are many careers left that can guarantee you a job when you complete a degree. I would love to work with animals but don't think getting a Cert. would make a difference - some positions are few & far between!
Posted by MaryK, 18/02/2012 12:09:03 PM, on The Herald
In my long career I have worked with and recruited many young graduate engineers. (I don't have a degree, but I do have a TAFE Electrical Engineering Advanced Diploma, as it's called now, and I am proud to say so). The graduates I found were predominantly HIFIs (Highly Intelligent F'ing Idiots). Unfortunately the degree did not teach them how to think.
Posted by Kartz, 18/02/2012 12:30:21 PM, on The Herald
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