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Dining gripes

Dinner out with friends is supposed to be a pleasant experience but the results of a national survey of diners suggests that the pleasant face is a veil for seething resentment. The reason for the angst is diners subsidising the meal and drinks of others, and a quick whip around colleagues shows that it is indeed a troubled field. Galaxy Research, for an annual American Express dining report, found that most diners (70 per cent of Queenslanders and 65 per cent of New South Welshmen) are resentful of fellow diners leaving the meal early without kicking their fair share into the can. Low act, eh!

And it seems that the students' habit of splitting the bill according to who had what is not as unpopular as I'd imagine. Most people, especially Queensland's women, are unhappy about paying an equal share when they've eaten less, or incurred less cost, than others. Will we return to the days of equations scrawled on serviettes?

Fewer people, but still more than half in most states, are unhappy about sharing the cost of other diners' drinks, and I can understand that. My wife doesn't drink, and when the bill is divvied up for a table of couples it doesn't matter one iota but if she's alone it can mean she's $40 or $50 out of pocket!

It's been decades since I was party to a restaurant bill divided up according to individual orders, and I'm pleased about that. But I can understand that for some people the result could be consistently and unfairly expensive.

The top of my dining gripe will, though, be seen by many as mean and miserable. That is tipping. I cannot see why we should give money to waiters who are paid to deliver our meal when we don't give money to shop assistants and others paid to deliver our orders. And I am especially intolerant of diners who tip on my behalf and add that into the split. Demeaning for everyone, I say.

My other dining gripes include set menus and banquets, usually gloop in both cases; dining companions who are rude to the staff; wine drinkers but not beer drinkers being permitted to BYO; fellow diners at a sharing table ordering a dish they don't intend to eat; fellow diners ordering very expensive meals (lobster etc) or wine because splitting the bill equally will allay the cost; diners at a sharing table at, say, a Thai restaurant telling the waiter to have the food served mild because they don't like chilli so that we all get spiceless Thai.

And I often wonder about the compulsion to order entrees that are so often ridiculously small and overpriced. And as I've mentioned before, I refuse to visit a restaurant that seeks to disguise the cost of its main meals by selling the usual accompaniments separately as sides.

Makes me sound like a dining grouch, but somehow I enjoy dinner out. I also like dinner at home.

Is objecting to subsidising other diners' extra courses and fine wine lousy? Tell us about your dining gripes?

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Order now pay waiter.......No you are not alone on this one, in fact you must have a hot wire to my brain, it's exactly what I reckon but there is more to it than just dining. People want value for money more so than ever these days and it is a reflection of that I reckon. Years ago we joked that the man who shouted first saved $500.00 dollars a year and there is a bit of truth in that. The other point you raise is tipping. Australians are not taught to tip and it is not in our culture to do so - yet. On a trip thru Europe once we were told in no uncertain terms that we had to tip (esp our bus driver and Guide). The 85% Aussie group reacted accordingly, you would have been proud of us, and we still got served. The driver and guide got bugger all too. As for tiny meals and big bills its Pub grub for me. Nothing like the $8.50 Lunch time special.
Posted by Bush Bunny, 25/10/2010 6:14:13 AM, on The Herald
I like cheaper food because it is always more robust, BB. Especially ethnic food. The thing I dislike most is pretentious food.
Posted by Jeff Corbett on 25/10/2010 8:02:29 AM
Man, what a can of worms! I agree with what you see. Very very rarely go out for dinner these days, except with the kids and their partners, so it's not an issue any more, thankfully. It takes the shine of an evening doesn't it! I very rarely have a drink these days, as I always drive, so work related do's see me out of pocket for all the p***heads. But you have to accept it and put it out of your head, or you may as well not go. But my ex was an executive and I used to put on a lot of banquets at home - massive - really enjoyed preparing and presenting etc - but you know . . . it was always US putting on a spread. No one did the same in return. So we both got the whoops with being used. You work out who you can't be bothered feeding any more. Bit like that with dining ay? Some people are just serial "users".
Posted by Rose- Lake Macquarie, 25/10/2010 6:17:24 AM, on The Herald
Good for you Jeff. Problem is exacerbated by the common refusal of restaurants to issue individual bills to a table. Regarding tips I totally agree.. and often say "The money is as good in my pocket as in yours"
Posted by Tiger, 25/10/2010 7:11:50 AM, on The Herald
I haven't actually eaten out in Newcastle for AGES. I guess having the little fella we just don't do it. However I have been out in sydney of late and the restaurants there offer part of their menu as a set menu. It's still part of the main menu, not a separate menu. And each time the food has been amazingly good. These were the more expensive end of the restaurant equation so maybe that has something to do with it. This hasn't happened in a long tim, but my gripe I guess is the obligatory ordering of garlic bread by a table of friends. It's usually overpriced and badly done, yet one of the easiest and cheapest items a restaurant can produce. Other than that my friends don't rip me off (and vice versa). Maybe it's time to change your friends Jeff.
Posted by leahkf, 25/10/2010 7:30:50 AM, on The Herald
Garlic bread is restaurant's fruit for the sideboard. And, of course, it is delivered before the meal so we'll eat it then order more. I wasn't, btw Leah, complaining about my friends.
Posted by Jeff Corbett on 25/10/2010 8:00:40 AM
The most annoying dining companion is the one who is terminally indecisive, and having made a decision changes it upon the arrival of the waiter. It’s only a meal for crying out loud. The fate of mankind does not rest on the decision
Posted by Voice of Reason, 25/10/2010 8:15:02 AM, on The Herald
I have never understood why restaurants don't split the bill and make it easier for the customers, especially when they have the hide to put on a surcharge for groups over 8 people. Why do they do this? Is it just rorting, like they do when they buy their wine list from the local bottlo and triple the price of the wine? I really object to paying over $50 for wine that usually costs less than $20 per bottle - and if you BYO, then you can get slugged up to $15 corkage. Do you tip for this? No way - and in some establishments, the management keep the tips and don't pass them on to the staff - especially if you pay with your plastic card - then the management always get the tip.
Posted by Dastirum, 25/10/2010 8:16:05 AM, on The Herald
Surcharge for groups of eight or more, $15 corkage - phone to book, make the inquiry and cancel the booking citing the reason.
Posted by Jeff Corbett on 25/10/2010 8:32:17 AM
it isn't fair, but i accept that as a cost of spending time with friends. Some do this, but their better qualities more than compensate. I am very conscious of not ordering a dish that is (cost-wise) out of line with everyone else. What i struggle with is the grown-up children still sponging off their parents when dining out as a family (and ordering stuff that is not on the menu - geez that irks me). For me it is a matter of pride that i am an adult and no longer need the financial assistance of my parents. Others are not so proud, and are happy to behave like children in order to get the parents to pay or subsidise them. It's galling.
Posted by fista, 25/10/2010 8:30:47 AM, on The Herald
Leahkf is right; be choosy about who you go out with. I only have 3 friends left. They don't like me, but we eat out often. Happily equi-split bills. My well heeled relatives give me the Jimmy Smits. They order french bubbly, dessert, feed their kids, & assume the bill will be split. Of course, I pay up without a whimper ~ self preservation. They also neck the good red I take to my elderly parents place at Christmas - without a sideways glance at other empty glasses (not mine - I drive at Chrissy). Don't tip in Oz - NOT NECESSARY. In the US, the waiters survive on tips. I'm happy to tip there. My 'eat out' uber blunders (instant delete from contact list) : order steak well done (esp the 'send back' for more cremation); de-chilli any cuisine ('is the vindaloo spicy?...'); order Asti Riccadonna; ask how many of anything will 'come out' ('how many spring rolls do you get?'), usually after ordering the Asti; going to a seafood restaurant, and saying 'I don't like fish'; anyone touching anything on my plate; bring no wine and guzzle mine; look at menu prices and become vocally stingy; rudeness; asking the waitress her name (respect her privacy!). I'm easy going apart from that....
Posted by Abundance, 25/10/2010 8:53:07 AM, on The Herald
some rules. always organise group eat outs at byo restaurants, tell people that if they want to drink it is byo and to bring their drink with them. don't go to expensive restaurants with multiple families or groups (these tend to be pretentious eateries anyway). i used to love going to the verde luna in hamilton (it is still closed, bummer). it had terrible service, rickety tables and chairs, and dodgy decor. but it had great food that was "cheap". it was byo and my friends and i loved the place for group gatherings. i dont mind tipping the waiter or waitress if they are friendly and polite and can add to the dining "experience" without being annoying (fine line there). i like fun people. i reckon there is a market for a fawlty towers type restaurant where the whole place is in apparent chaotic turmoil (but with great food). would need some clever waiters and staff. "no sir, that was not a rat, it was the waiter's pet algerian hamster..... completely harmless"
Posted by judgedredd, 25/10/2010 8:54:14 AM, on The Herald
[Judgedredd - wasn't the Alcron a bit Fawlty Towers?....loved it....]
Posted by Abundance, 25/10/2010 8:58:53 AM, on The Herald
You're showing your age, Abundance! The Alcron was, as you say, a bit Fawlty Towers.
Posted by Jeff Corbett on 25/10/2010 9:14:53 AM
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