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Crime pays very well when your victims are in Australia and you're in another country. The Nigerians have conned many millions from Australians of a vulnerable bent, and like me you may have assumed in years past that they were untouchable because they lived in Africa. But an increasing number of Australians are finding that criminals operating out of the UK are just as untouchable. Recall my account a few weeks ago of a London-based con man who took over a Hunter man's email account and sent appeals for money to everyone in his contact list. This week I came across a sad story of a family from the Lake Macquarie suburb of Glendale losing the money they'd saved to buy a caravan. In both these accounts the criminals are too far beyond the reach of Australian police, and in any event the scale of internet fraud renders police helpless. Bob and Leanne Lucas were told candidly by Newcastle police when they reported the theft that police could do nothing.

They'd saved $4000 to buy a cheap caravan and they'd found one on eBay at a Buy It Now price of $4318. The seller (email Mike045088@gmail.com) explained that he was in the UK on a business trip, that the van was in Canberra and would be delivered by truck to Glendale. He suggested they pay the money into eBay's international holding account at a Barclays Bank branch in London and that they'd then have five days to decide whether to keep the caravan or instruct eBay to refund the money.

Leanne asked her eBay-experienced brother, Darren, to check the validity of this payment system, and he sent the details of the offer to eBay's Live Help service and asked if it was a safe way to pay. Marjorie D. replied that it was. Of course it was not, and soon there was no caravan and no money and no communication with Mike.

eBay has acknowledged its error, explained that there is no such thing as an eBay holding account, said it has disciplined Marjorie, apologised and suggested Bob and Leanne Lucas go to the police. As you know, they've gone to the police only to be told the police can do nothing.

And communication with eBay came to a halt when the Lucas family asked eBay to make good the $4318 lost on its advice. Nor has eBay responded to my call.

I want to ask eBay how it is that its fraud investigators were unaware of the con that is the eBay international holding account when that fictitious account is listed on eBay's own site. Even a simple Google search shows Mike's eBay holding account scam in action elsewhere, and it is such an obvious fraud that I cannot believe eBay was unaware of it.

eBay suggesting the Lucas family go to the police is devious, given that it knows the police can do nothing and given that it knows it has an ethical obligation to make good the loss itself. Let's see if eBay is prepared to come from behind its electronic curtain to do the right thing.

Have you been the target of a scam? Did you become a victim?

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Oh come on ,who delivers a caravan worth $4300 by truck. Surely you would smell a rat and i'm as niave as they come.
Posted by horse, 22/09/2010 5:41:33 AM, on The Herald
Delivery was part of the deal, and not out of the ordinary.
Posted by Jeff Corbett on 22/09/2010 9:15:19 AM
That is a sad story Jeff and like you I reckon eBay is liable. I bet they still charge the people fees and heaven forbid where did you get the phone number? My knowledge of the auction laws (and it is better than most) says that E Bay would have to come good(under Aus laws anyway). I notice some times when I use it I get emails saying something is not right and to click on this link to fix it (which I don't). Is this common?
Posted by Bush Bunny, 22/09/2010 6:16:15 AM, on The Herald
i am too scared/paranoid to buy anything expensive on e-bay.... better safe than sorry. or be the first to find out about a new scam.
Posted by judgedredd, 22/09/2010 7:11:39 AM, on The Herald
I was involved in a small scam but not through Ebay. As a regular buying online and especially Ebay their is only one way to stay safe. Each seller on Ebay has a rating the higher the stars the safer the transaction. When I purchase a product I always pay by Paypal they will refund your money if your goods are not received. After around 100 transaction I have to date had no problem with Ebay. I advise all buyers just to be very wary.
Posted by LynD, 22/09/2010 8:28:51 AM, on The Herald
When I listed my car for sale on the heralds website last year, they made it abundantly clear to be wary of people saying they are overseas and are willing to buy the car sight unseen and asking for my bank account to deposit money. They sent at least three warnings, and even rang me. I sold my car to a nice couple from the Central Coast for cash all above board. However I did have contact from someone overseas with a plausible story and requesting my bank account. Obviously I ignored it. Perhaps Ebay should be just as vigilant informing prospective customers about such frauds.
Posted by leahkf, 22/09/2010 8:51:38 AM, on The Herald
As I have said before, if you can't touch it and try it don't buy it.
Posted by Chef Dude, 22/09/2010 9:00:34 AM, on The Herald
I have never used E-Bay - never will. Nor will I be attached to Facebook or the like. My email with family and friends is plenty. I don't give my details or credit details to just anyone. I nfact I rarely use credit - it's just for emergencies. Can't affor it - don't buy it. I don't go on any Toll roads, because I refuse to give credit details to those theives - there are always poor suckers on current affair, tearing their hair out, fighting unjust bills. I am happy being a bit of a hermit these days. I may be over cautious, but better that, than be ripped off. I've worked too hard - that would be crushing mentally! No just don't trust too many anymore - pretty sad ay!
Posted by Rose- Lake Macquarie, 22/09/2010 9:05:39 AM, on The Herald
a sad story, but really - for an amount like that, cash on delivery / collection.
Posted by no doze, 22/09/2010 9:25:53 AM, on The Herald
As a regular user of EBay, over the past few years I have save myself a considerable amount of money with almost no problems ( One incident I did have was later resloved in my favour) I have a few iron clad rules. I always pay via PayPal, I never make large purchases overseas, I check out the selling history of the seller, I have a special limited account with my bank. In this instance to buy something, sight unseen and to pay that amount of money into an overseas account is asking for trouble. The catchwords for these types of transactions 'Caveat Emptor'
Posted by MizJasper, 22/09/2010 9:31:40 AM, on The Herald
They did seek and they acted on eBay's advice.
Posted by Jeff Corbett on 22/09/2010 9:35:25 AM
$18,000... Thats how much a Bloke I know just got done for... He was going to buy Chevvy Car parts from a Guy in the US... The guy said to send money by Western Union, rather than Ebay.....His Money has Vanished. He rang FBI, but they are not Interested in such a small amount. You need to be cautious, sinilar to buying Property. CAVEAT EMPTOR (Latin) - Let the Buyer beware.
Posted by Watch out, 22/09/2010 9:55:22 AM, on The Herald
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