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Haggling discrimination

Years ago when for one reason or another I had many things to sell in the For Sale classifieds, I had a special time-saving policy: I would tell callers whose accent identified them as from Asia or a Mediterranean country, especially Italy, that the item had been sold. By doing so I spared myself a good half-hour of haggling. The looker would spend 20 minutes pointing out each imperfection as he made despairing noises, then at least 10 minutes haggling from a viciously low first offer. I'd refuse to budge from the asking price in the face of what I saw as their effrontery and they'd leave without buying, so it was a process that wasted their time and mine. Yes, discrimination, but well-targeted and well-warranted discrimination.

Australians were welcomed as lookers. Invariably they'd offer a price just below the asking, I'd accept, and the whole process would take no more than 10 minutes.

As I write in my column today, it is only recently that big retailers, and only a few of them, have been encouraging lookers to haggle. Bing Lee and The Good Guys use that invitation as a promotion, and even the proper David Jones has long had a finger in this pie with its price-matching promise.

But how to go about haggling? It was as much the manner of the haggling as the time wasted that led me to bar Asian and Mediterranean lookers, but it may be that the manner was not so important in their cultures because of the expectation, even requirement, of bargaining. Manner is critical, I think, in Australia if we're not to be shown the door or the gate, and humour must have a role in there somewhere.

I have heard people say that they never pay full price for anything, be it a kettle or a dress. I can't imagine the department store's saleswoman being too enthusiastic about my "I'll give you $37" for the $50 kettle.

So how should we go about it?

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My daughter is australian, she would have to be the best bargain hunter there is, she is rather proud of her achievements in this field, even large name stores are not too high and mighty to her, they often lower the price for her, if her haggling doesn't work she lets her four children run wild, this has the desired effect and a compromise is soon reached, all with a smile.
Posted by wannie973, 11/02/2009 7:04:27 PM
Hello wannie. I'm looking to buy a car to tow my new caravan. Can I borrow your daughter and grandchildren for the negotiations?
Posted by Jeff Corbett on 12/02/2009 9:17:49 AM
Thought i would tell Amy about Frank, he is a good family man,owns a horse,follows Adelaide in the A League and has a couple of kangaroo paw in the garden, personally that is about all i know but he is also bestowed with many honorifics but still remains Frank.Frank is the paediatric oncologist at the John Hunter Hospital and has a tough job.January marked 10 years since the JHH provided oncology for children and Frank has been at the helm since day one.On a regular basis, about once a fortnight ,Frank meets with concerned parents and tells them their child has cancer.He has treated between 250 and 300 children and built up a rapport with their mothers and fathers beyond description but sadly in the vicinity of 70 kids have lost their lives, the rest can thank him for theirs'.He stands out like new seasons hay and if you had a lazy page in the H2 on saturday and would like a tip his form is good.
Posted by chaff and oats, 11/02/2009 8:47:31 PM
Last year Jeff I visited Thailand, Vietnam, and Bali at different times of the year. Haggling over prices is expected, not so much in Vietnam. It was pleasant enough, but i'm affraid i was not so good at it. Considering we are a Multi Cultural society and have a recession on it's way we may see more off it in Australia. Going by wannie973 blog maybe it's well underway now, the shopping centres have alot of children running around screaming without control.
Posted by Buell, 12/02/2009 9:28:16 AM
Buell i'm off to vietnam/cambodia in the next few months. Any tips on places "not to be missed"?
Posted by fista, 12/02/2009 12:39:15 PM
fista, Mekon Delta home stay tour. Book tours when you get to Ho Chi Ming city, much cheaper than booking from here. Two days travelling by bus, boat and ferry with overnight home stay and meal $42 aust. book same from here $300. Day trip too tunnels from Ho Chi Ming $12 aust. Stayed at Nah Trang on coast, island day trip $12 with meal cooked on boat. Going to the north this year, cannot wait. All the best.
Posted by Buell, 12/02/2009 1:51:18 PM
Sounds interest, Buell. I'd like to visit northern Vietnam, and my wife and I had planned to about now, but she has developed a serious allergy to MSG so that's out. And we can't afford Europe!
Posted by Jeff Corbett on 12/02/2009 2:11:28 PM
Jeff, you and your Mrs should come to Indonesia, especially Jakarta. The shopping is amazing (what are your thoughts on "fake" designer items such as handbags? Are you morally opposed?), haggling is expected and all done with a smile and no animosity if you cannot agree a price. One word of warning for all potential hagglers though. It is considered to be very bad form if you say a price that the vendor agrees to and then you decide not to buy. Hardly any MSG used in the food here.
Posted by kimo, 12/02/2009 2:25:49 PM
Hello Kimo. I have never given a moment's thought to handbags and have no objection to those of counterfeit brand. But I suppose if we extend that line I would have no objection to the theft of anyone's intellectual property.

I don't think of Jakarta as a travel destination, and it may that I have a sense that the Indonesian police are Thai police without the grace. Even a little bit of MSG is out for my wife, especially if it's going to put her into an Indonesian hospital. Your account of the haggling is interesting.

Posted by Jeff Corbett on 12/02/2009 2:39:23 PM
Shame, airfares with Jetstar to Vietnam on net approx. $600 return. A mate who went with us lived on seafood cooked on grill, fruit and Tiger Beer. Came home looking a treat. Being a communist country there is little haggling, very friendly too Australians, not alot of Americans travelling there. The War museum in Ho Chi Ming was unbelievable, I did not find anything adverse about our great Aussie Diggers but others got hammered. What i saw, was a truely wonderful people who work very hard. Always smiling. We booked the airfares and two nights at Ho Chi Ming, then everything else when we got there, It cost us about $1800 each including internal fights, accommodation, trips and spending money, there for ten nights. If your wife is understanding and you don't get too guilty, go with acouple off buddies, i don't really know you Jeff but you seem to like things abit wild west and Vietnam is a real adventure.
Posted by Buell, 12/02/2009 2:38:25 PM
In Australia (especially department stores) if you really want to haggle, DON'T waste time with the junior salesperson, apart from getting all the info you might need / want about the item in question. Simply ask for the sales manager or store manager, and then be prepared to go through the whole rigmarole again with that person. Use up some time (force them to invest some time in you). To get to the point, say "Thank you. John here [junior salesperson]has also been very helpful with my inquiry regarding this kettle. I would like to spend my money here. Would you accept $37 right now?". They'll more than likely accept ~ they won't want to chuck away the time invested. Be prepared for them to roll their eyes and generally despise you, though. This strategy obviously works better on big ticket items.
Posted by StopPayingTheBludgers, 12/02/2009 3:40:41 PM
'ere, Bert! this bloke won't 'aggle!
Posted by Ross W, 12/02/2009 3:46:52 PM
I think anything over $100 is negotiable. One of my first haggling products was a pair of running shoes priced at $165 which I offered $125 and the purchase was sealed. I continued to do it on any major purchases in retail stores, mostly electrical items, and haven't paid full price since - 20 years later. Last purchase was an LCD for half its $2289 price tag. I'd say you're crazy not to haggle, especially in the current economic climate. The tricks - know your product, know approximate prices, and learn to estimate percentages of profit retailers can reduce products by. Most of all, shop around and never look desperate for a product.
Posted by BONDY, 12/02/2009 6:51:41 PM
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