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It seems to be universal horror, the reaction of visitors to John Hunter Hospital when they see patients and others smoking outside the hospital building. Of course it only seems to be universal because smokers are so few these days, at least in comparison to their former overwhelming majority. One of Hunter New England Health's chiefs, Todd McEwan, sought to tap into that horror when he urged in a Letter in The Herald this week that visitors ask smokers at the hospital to put it out.

In my column in The Herald today I urge visitors to mind their own business, and not just because Mr McEwan tells us in the same letter that "unfortunately a number of our staff have faced verbal abuse" asking smokers to put it out.

Smokers have become the new public contemptibles, and I believe the motives behind those railing against them are questionable. Those who are disgusted when they find themselves so much as walking past smokers at, say, a hospital are seeking, I say, to inflate their own esteem with their sanctimony and purity. There is, for example, a delicious reward for women who didn't smoke during their pregnancies to be had in being sickened by the sight of pregnant women smoking at hospital.

Many of you will misconstrue what I have written here. I am not in favour of smoking - rather, I believe strongly that smoking should be banned nationally in all public spaces. But people who are addicted smokers are not in hospital to confront their addiction, and public hospitals have no fair right to take advantage of these people's incapacity to try to stop them smoking. And you precious non-smokers who are simply appalled should examine your motives. And if you find all is in order, how about granting me an open examination of your life.

Walking past smokers in the open air at hospital or anywhere else is no worse than walking past people with body odour or, even, wearing perfume. But the impact of smokers on you who are appalled is not what it's about. Rather, it's about you taking an opportunity to put your righteous boot into people who are down and in no position to defend themselves.

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Agreed. In an age where we all know that smoking will kill you, if someone chooses to smoke, let 'em. Just don't make me share the smoke, or use my tax dollars to manage the catastrophic problems it causes. Tax tobacco products at the point of purchase, to the full extent of the social cost (ie, user pays full cost to society). They'd be 50 bucks a packet, and we'd all be better off.
Posted by Abundance, 26/06/2009 11:02:31 AM
I agree, Abundance, $50 a packet. Why government imposes tax to lift the price of cigarettes to a level that is affordable at a stretch beats me. Why not force the price to beyond affordable?
Posted by Jeff Corbett on 26/06/2009 11:07:37 AM
First up I will confess I have never been a smoker. Of course I tried it when about 14 and thought at the time how hideous, and no matter how cool I wanted to be, I was never ever going to do that again. So yes I am a dag. Oh and I've never done drugs (except alcohol). So I don't understand anyone's addiction, let alone smokers when the evidence is so clear. Even the packets of cigarettes state what it will do to you. But I've always thought adults are adults, and it's a legal product so they can choose what they want. However I HATE having to put up with the god awful gangrene and smokers lungs ads. They are so stomach turningly ick. so now to the hospital debate. I have to admit since becoming a mum, the den mother has come out in me the non violent peacemaker. I want to smash peoples heads in who smoke in public places, as I am there with my beautiful baby who has to breathe in their foul smoke. I always move away if I can. But sometimes they surround you! I will qualify this by saying any smokey car or diesel truck that goes by, I get the same feeling. It is absolutely offensive that people smoke anywhere near non smokers. And that smoke can travel!
Posted by leahkf, 26/06/2009 11:07:07 AM
Why don't they just ban cigarettes altogether? All people benefit from smokers as they pay less taxes because of the revenue from cigarettes. What a bunch of hypocrites! So let's ban cigarettes altogether ,put up the taxes, and sack all those who are employed in cigarette and associated fields. Hmm, then perhaps we can go after the people who slather themselves in perfume and give others sinus headaches etc. The precedent has already been set. Perfume odours certainly does make many people sick.
Posted by Hope, 26/06/2009 11:36:01 AM
Do you have a little puff, Hope? Do you hope not to get cancer?
Posted by Jeff Corbett on 26/06/2009 11:57:26 AM
It's quite a contrast - the cold, clean, quiet, antiseptic hospital wards compared to the apparent chaos of the smokers outside; maybe this is why people object. I'm not a smoker but sometimes hang out with the smokers as they can get out of the office and indulge in conversation and gossip. I'm sure there's lots of people who would like a world of order and clean surfaces but really - why take it out on the smokers?
Posted by stevo, 26/06/2009 12:12:37 PM
A recent experience (in a private hospital) was that some staff spent a lot of time smoking in an area below my window, with the result I had to keep it shut. Other experience in a Commonwealth Govt. office obliged me to frequently go looking for some support staff, usually found smoking on the roof in summer and in the freezing cold basement car park in winter. Didn't make sense to me!
Posted by Jack, 26/06/2009 12:40:59 PM
Jeff there is nothing worse than having to deal with a person serving in a retail store or over the counter in an office who has been outside for a puff, they do not realise just how bad their breath is.
Posted by DavidB, 26/06/2009 12:45:57 PM
I'm a bit like Barack Obama - 95% cured. Nicotine is a wonderful drug, it's just a shame that the delivery system is so toxic and harmful. I am familiar with the problem at JHH, and to resolve the problem a number of discreet dedicated smoking areas should be set up about the campus to cater for smokers, located away from members of the public who do not wish to be confronted with tobacco smoke or the sight of people smoking. While patients are offered NRT, the reality is that some will continue to smoke. It is not a realistic option to ask staff and the general public to police the matter, particularly when there is no legal backing. I certainly agree with the general comments here about further restriction of the availability of tobacco products, including price increases.
Posted by Directeur Sportif, 26/06/2009 12:56:04 PM
you want to watch out leakh, someone might turn around one day and retaliate.
Posted by yes, 26/06/2009 1:03:46 PM
I am glad for the ban of smoking in Hotels and cafes. Even chronic smokers seem to have no problem with that now. At Airports these days they have this horrible smoking room set up that all can see into. It's very yuk to look at, and proberly embarrassing for the users. As for the JHH what can you say or do, the poor buggers are addicted. I think one day cigarettes will be on prescription from your doctor only. :-)
Posted by Buell, 26/06/2009 1:31:33 PM
Hope ~ you can't seriously expect anyone to accept that 'all people benefit from smokers as they pay less taxes because of the revenue from cigarettes'. Sure, tobacco products do attract some extra tax [not enough, in my view], but how much does society spend on fixing the health catastrophe that smoking directly causes? Billions! We don't benefit ~ we pay more! WAY more! Why on earth should a non smoking taxpayer have to foot the bill for the irresponsible decisions of others (smokers)? I'm not saying that we should get stuck in to smokers ~ let 'em smoke! But ALSO let them bear the real cost, not just the retail price of the smokes. You are right about perfumes, though. Some of that stuff is diabolical.
Posted by Abundance, 26/06/2009 1:32:57 PM
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