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More sadness please

It was a conference that offered "a smorgasbord of tools and techniques for a happier life", and when the social commentator and psychologist Hugh Mackay rose to his feet it was not to call for more happiness. Mr Mackay advocated more sadness, more grief, more failure and disappointment, because, he told the Happiness and its Causes conference in Sydney late last week, it was through those that people grew, not through happiness. Without sadness, he explains, we would never know happiness, and he is startlingly right.

I have never appreciated life, for example, as much as I have done since I faced the imminence of its loss six years ago. We need to experience the contrast to appreciate positive.

Mr Mackay links sadness and happiness as the contrasting conditions, but in my experience it has been anxiety and happiness. I see myself as happy, usually in hindsight, when I am free of anxiety, and I see myself, usually at the time, as unhappy when I am anxious.

What do you see as happiness? And do you agree that our culture places too much emphasis on happiness rather than, to use Mr Mackay's word, wholeness?

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This will be quite the philosophical discussion.
Posted by leahkf, 10/05/2010 10:21:30 AM, on The Herald
Suzihoud would agree - Chinese food explains all - life, like your main dinner dish, needs Sweet and Sour (with rice).
Posted by Dump Ling, 10/05/2010 10:25:29 AM, on The Herald
Well yes there is the conscious appreciation of states of mind but that is brought about by brain chemistry and ultrastructure-hence the rationale for anti-depressant medication etc.The really fascinating thing is the place of personality development in happiness,and what factors shape that.What causes people to be angry violent nasty bogans who consistently make poor choices in life,which inevitably leads to a cycle of misery and desperation.?Yet some people from the most desperate circumstances rise above this to become good ,kind thoughtful citizens who have happy productive responsible lives.
Posted by snooze, 10/05/2010 11:20:14 AM, on The Herald
Genes?
Posted by Jeff Corbett on 10/05/2010 11:34:52 AM
Happy - Getting complimented yesterday that my kids are well mannered and well adjusted, getting to see my mum on Mother's Day, being free and living large...... Sad - Reading that someone's virginity can now be bought and sold like a commodity all for the sake of reality TV, the ignorant teen something shit that nearly knocked an old lady over yesterday so he could make it through the checkout line first and save himself 5 minutes, needing an over commercialised 'Day' to give me a reason to go see my mum, and no beer in the fridge....
Posted by crusty, 10/05/2010 11:33:11 AM, on The Herald
The pain,anger and sense of loss I felt when my father died from an asbestos related disease was immense.I am in no way happy about the way his life was cut short or the pain he suffered but I do take relief in the knowledge that his pain is now gone. Maybe sometimes unhappiness can lead to happiness but I'm not convinced.
Posted by Phoney Clown, 10/05/2010 11:39:19 AM, on The Herald
I think people mistake the real meaning of happyness and stress and sadness etc. People seem to think that they are all different ends of the same line and you can't be two at the same time. I know personally i can be both happy and stressed at the same time, also happy and worried. I am always happy when i am at home with the family, but stressed about the house not being clean enough or worried about the furute etc. This post probably doesn't make any sense at all but it doesn't matter, i'm happy anyway :). BTW Jeff, love the new layout of Theherald.com.au,
Posted by Nafe, 10/05/2010 11:45:02 AM, on The Herald
I think our society places too much emphasis on consumerism as happiness. i.e. coke will make your day, the iphone will make your life wonderful etc. etc. This thought process goes hand in hand with retail therapy. e.g. I had a crap day/my boyfriend broke up with me, so now I need to shop to feel better. I have to admit I've been guilty of that. I think Jeff it is a lot like you say. Happiness is when you are relieved. There are the obvious markers of being happy: being with loved ones, doing things you love. There are happy days: getting married, finding out you are pregnant, having a baby etc. But true happiness yes is coming out the other side of dark sad times.
Posted by leahkf, 10/05/2010 11:54:05 AM, on The Herald
Mr Mackay advocated more sadness, more grief, etc. I am sure sufferers of depression will be glad to hear that comment.
Posted by old boy, 10/05/2010 12:00:03 PM, on The Herald
I'm with you nafe. I did have that experience of happiness and sadness the day my boy was born. It was going to be the first birthday of my sister after she died, and I was so sad and stressed leading up to that day. I was due to drive down to Sydney to be with Mum and Dad, and was wondering how to make the day not too bad for them and me. After all I'm 8 months pregnant with my first child, I should be content and happy! Then my waters broke. - luckily at home and not on the f3. My partner was on the great north walk day seven, and luckily with mobile coverage was able to contact him and arrange for him to go to one of the meeting points for a friend to pick him up and take him to jhh. During labour I cried from pain of it being my sisters birthday, and I cried from pain of labour. Then of course the miracle happens and I have my lovely little boy in my arms. There aren't the right words in the English language to explain the happiness of that time. And there are certainly no words to describe the pain of labour! That day certainly ran the gamut of every emotion.
Posted by leahkf, 10/05/2010 12:03:37 PM, on The Herald
I'm sad Jeff! You edited me. I question the sense of Mr McKay's view.
Posted by old boy, 10/05/2010 12:21:43 PM, on The Herald
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