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NSW Roads Minister David Borger says he'll consider requests from preschools and childcare centres for 40kmh zones in the style of school zones, and that promises to make running the gauntlet of speed limits even more fraught. As it is now NSW drivers contend with a mishmash of speed limits that can require more attention than the actual driving - add preschool and childcare zones and the mishmash would become unfathomable in many urban areas.

Preschools and childcare centres do not necessarily keep school hours, and some are open to children arriving and leaving all day. Would the state government install flashing lights for such zones or would it delay the installation of such lights in the interests of revenue, as it did with school zones?

There is a major difference between children at schools and preschools, one that suggests 40km/h zones for preschools are not the least necessary. That is that while children at schools arrive and leave under their own steam, the small children at preschools and childcare centres are always directly and closely supervised by an adult. If they're not we need to close the facility, not install a new trap for drivers.

In my column in The Herald today I argue that if the state government is intent on increasing revenue, 40km/h zones should be installed at a number of other places before preschools and childcare facilities. Around McDonald's, for example, and cinemas, pools and beaches. And how about on roads passing a group of homes that have more than 10 children?

Would not the fairest result for all be a 40km/h limit throughout urban areas?

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If the pre school is asking for a 40K zone to be introduced there are 2 problems. 1 - The pre school should have chosen a better location rather than on a main highway, and 2 - they must think their kids parents are stupid. If this is the case, a good old lolypop lady should be hired to help the parents cross the road in safety.
Posted by Nafe, 22/06/2010 10:12:04 AM, on The Herald
JC, i have to take you to task over the comment: "There is a major difference between children at schools and preschools". you suggest that pre-school kids are directly supervised by parents and therefore safe. however, these little ones are just as mobile and a whole lot less understanding of the consequence of running onto roads. you also are assuming that parents are able to maintain 100% vigilance 100% of the time. please don't. take note of prams rolling onto train tracks as evidence of what a split second of lost concentration can do.... so, perhaps a blanket 40kmh speed limit in urban areas is appropriate. pedestrians are still getting killed by cars so maybe this would be the way to go. i am also aware of the revenue raising aspects of some police work. but i subscribe to the conspiracy theory of the governments revenue raising and suggest that if we were serious about "speed kills" then we would not allow V8s, turbo charged, high powered performance cars on our streets. and we would actually speed limit vehicles. but the govt makes lots of money from speed cameras......
Posted by judgedredd, 22/06/2010 10:25:11 AM, on The Herald
Under planning policies and relevant requirements for licencing Child Care Cetnres and Pre-Schools must have safe on-site carparking and drop-off collection zones. Children should not be near the street or the centre is either in breach of the required standards or the parents are not using hte facilities that are required to be provided.
Posted by Potato Juice, 22/06/2010 10:33:19 AM, on The Herald
You are right Jeff, perhaps parks with playground equipment and sporting fields should be added to the list. However perhaps they should be speed limiting the bicycle riders on bike tracks that go through parks, such as the track alongside Throsby creek..... lots of riders speed through there when little one are about.
Posted by leahkf, 22/06/2010 10:35:59 AM, on The Herald
"Would not the fairest result for all be a 40km/h limit throughout urban areas?" end quote. They are Jeff. I notice this in my suburb. But obviously you and many others that are taking "short cuts" through our suburb do not!
Posted by old boy, 22/06/2010 10:50:17 AM, on The Herald
Our school day commences and finishes outside the hours of the school zones. Our students always have to contend with speeding drivers because the official "school zone" times do not match our times.
Posted by mmm..., 22/06/2010 10:51:34 AM, on The Herald
Which school and what are the hours?
Posted by Jeff Corbett on 22/06/2010 11:01:53 AM
Correct leah, 23 years ago my daughter (at the time 4 years of age) was run over by a speeding bicycle rider on the road in front of our house. A split second. Our street is 100 metres long and is a short cut to nowhere. Though bike riders and vehicle drivers have been speeding along this small sidestreet "time in memoriam" 40 K signs and two speed humps have not slowed them down.
Posted by old boy, 22/06/2010 11:43:49 AM, on The Herald
Hope your daughter's injuries were minor. As you know there are all manner of cyclists - small children, teenagers, mature men and women, leisurely riders, commuting riders, sports riders. Some are more responsible than others, but cyclists cannot ride at walking pace. People using the cycleways through Islington and other suburbs will do a great deal for their own and other users' safety if they keep to the left.
Posted by Jeff Corbett on 22/06/2010 12:04:23 PM
I can't even get into 3rd gear in my manual car before 40km/h.
Posted by Johnno, 22/06/2010 12:03:29 PM, on The Herald
Yes Jeff my daughter recovered OK We have seven children all reasonably close in age. We were always vigilant about their safety. Our street has a long history of occurrences such as the experience I mentioned. Our 87 year old neighbour only a few days back mentioned he was "skittled" by a motor bike when he was six years of age near the very spot (near the corner) as my daughter was run over.
Posted by old boy, 22/06/2010 12:44:12 PM, on The Herald
These 40km zone area have been out for a while, but still to this day we still have some idiots that disobey these rules with bad consquenses to their actions. I personally give them a gob full when a fool speeds around these areas.. You know the little fingers in the air and give it a wiggle TV ads? I can tell you know Jeff when that ad came out every child in Newcastle was doing it with great sucsess. I always thought a driver was only allowed to drive 50km/hr in back streets anyway. Good idea Jeff, but there is always idiots on the road if we like it or not, with hotted up cars that think they are invicible until an accident occurs and they come back to reality from the actions of their own stupidity. Any child orientated areas should have this law around them and we all know that.
Posted by The Real Tough Titties, 22/06/2010 12:52:10 PM, on The Herald
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