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Young people who go to The Cambridge Hotel in Newcastle West and people of all ages who visit Warners Bay Hotel on certain nights do it, and it is likely that you'll be doing it too if you visit a hotel or nightclub in a city's entertainment area soon. The first of those entertainment areas to make doing it a condition of entry may well be Hamilton.

Publicans of Hamilton's 10 pubs gather tomorrow at a meeting of the Hamilton Liquor Accord to discuss implementing the idEye ID-scanning system, and they'll be looking to introduce the system as a network. ID scanning is a powerful tool in a single pub, and at Warners Bay, for example, it has reduced assaults by more than half, but as a networked system it comes into its own.

The idEye scans a driver's licence, an RTA-provided photo card or a passport and stores that information, the result being, of course, that people in a pub or nightclub can be readily identified. Combine that ID with CCTV film and police have a useful tool for bringing offenders to justice quickly.

Being aware of that is likely to discourage someone who may otherwise be violent, and there is one other important contributor to the lowering of assaults. Drinkers who behave badly are barred, with no hope of getting past security staff who don't recognise them, and at Warners Bay, for example, that period of exclusion for assaulting staff is 10 years. Where the idEye system is networked, as it is likely to be at Hamilton, a drinker barred for violence at one hotel will get a red flag when he presents his ID for scanning at one of the others. Not only will the hotels and their patrons be better off without him, so will the precinct.

At long last accountability is rising above privacy, although privacy gets a nod with guarantees that the scanned data will not be provided to anyone other than police and others in the network, that it can be accessed only by senior staff, and that it will be held for only a limited time.

I'm happy to present ID as I enter a pub, and indeed I'll be happier to be in a pub where ID must be presented, because I'm happy to be responsible for my behaviour in the pub. Are you?

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most definately no. who is actually guaranteeing that this data will not be distributed any further than claimed ? and who are they answerable to if they use it inappropriatly ? can't wait to see when someone who is going out with the doormans ex girlfriend gets black listed for nothing. are pubs law enforcement agents now ? if you have done wrong and been dealt with under our laws what gives a publican the right to dispense further punishment ? lets be realistic a publican is a purveyor of misery who makes his living off low income people who pump their entire wage / welfare through his poker machines. i would not trust them with my mother in law, let alone recording my personal details for their own use.
Posted by catl, 19/04/2010 10:36:43 AM, on The Herald
I agree with your concern about the potential for the misuse of the information. Perhaps the system could be protected by a pin number held only by the licensee, or the police. But it's not a deal breaker for me.
Posted by Jeff Corbett on 19/04/2010 1:22:35 PM
I am a huge supporter of the right to privcacy and would not support anything like this for a pubic venue where the goveernment is in control. BUT in this case, everyone needs to realise that pubs and clubs, even though accessable by the public are private property. The Publicans are responsible for your behaviouer and i support any measuers is enforcing a save environment. I also love the idea of them being linked and if they are barred from one local hotel, they will be barred from the rest. I hole heartedly support this proposal and the sooner its in the better. Lets home Newcastle City pubs and clubs do the same thing.
Posted by Nafe, 19/04/2010 10:39:19 AM, on The Herald
agreed. if you aren't doing anything wrong, you have nothing to hide. i don't care who knows i'm at the pub so its not an issue. I do however seriously hate the stand over wanker bouncer at the door staring into your eyes as if he can read your mind and asking you: "and how are you this evening buddy?" one little stammer, one tiny slip and your apparently a pissed fool with no chance of entry, especially if you are a male. many bouncers cause more fights than they prevent. hey, they don't practice their kick boxing for nothing you know.
Posted by judgedredd, 19/04/2010 10:42:52 AM, on The Herald
Judgedredd, Funny you say that, I was once stopped from going to the then Ducks Nuts hotel when i was totally sober and the designated driver. Funny thing was i had just finished work, picked up my mates from the brewery (about 1am after one got kicked out for being too drunk) and then headed to the Ducks Nuts for a game of pool while they had a few more beers. Considering i parked in direct sight of the hotel, all my mates walked in no questions and i was stopped. Maybe they just thought i wasn't going to spend enough to drinks to be allowed in.
Posted by Nafe, 19/04/2010 11:13:49 AM, on The Herald
My eldest son met the same fat, nafe. One night while the designated driver for a group of fellows he was barred at the door of a nightclub on the grounds that he was drunk. He'd not had a single drink - he was a p plater with zero alcohol allowance - but his mates, who were allowed in, had had quite a few!
Posted by Jeff Corbett on 19/04/2010 11:18:54 AM
I'm sorry Jeff, but this sounds like something from the old Soviet Union or East Germany. Do we really want our personal information to be held by some fat publican or worse still a rock-ape bouncer. I don't think so. The nanny state has gone far enough.
Posted by Peter C Jones, 19/04/2010 11:19:08 AM, on The Herald
What about a thin publican?
Posted by Jeff Corbett on 19/04/2010 11:25:54 AM
This law should apply to those drinking beer in the waiting room at brothels, passing the time until their friends finish. I wonder whose licence would show up frequently then?
Posted by Lady Whiteadder, 19/04/2010 11:23:42 AM, on The Herald
take my details, distribute them to whomever you like. I have nothing to hide, and therefore nothing to fear. This obsession with "privacy" has reached ridiculous heights. What could they possibly use my details for? All these fears expressed but no specifics on what may actually happen. It's paranoia folks, and nothing more. Personal responsibility Jeff? Sadly, you are in the minority these days on this issue. As to being banned when sober, it's not ideal but sometimes life isn't fair. Expect it to be and you're gonna be disappointed.
Posted by fista, 19/04/2010 11:27:43 AM, on The Herald
Jeff, I don't think I've ever seen a thin publican. They may exist, I'm just yet to see one.
Posted by Peter C Jones, 19/04/2010 11:29:36 AM, on The Herald
Agreed.
Posted by Jeff Corbett on 19/04/2010 11:37:08 AM
The publican chick at the Stag and Hunter in Mayfield is slim.
Posted by Nafe, 19/04/2010 11:39:14 AM, on The Herald
Occupational hazard perhaps. I wonder if they can claim workers comp for their occupational obesity
Posted by fista, 19/04/2010 11:40:04 AM, on The Herald
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