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Religion versus ethics

It was in the 19th century that time was set aside in NSW public schools each week for scripture lessons, and that was done to make peace with churches horrified that the ungodly were going to offer what we know today as public education. Much has changed since then, and among the biggest changes has been the churches' loss of power. But, it seems, this change has not been big enough.

The mainstream churches are fighting desperately to protect what is, to my astonishment, a government-backed monopoly over the teaching of ethics in schools. Parents have the right to withdraw their children from the weekly scripture class but they do not have the right to have the children undertake any other structured activity during that hour. And specifically not if it involves the teaching of ethics!

This has come to light because parents at seven Sydney primary schools want their children to take part in a trial 10-part ethics course in lieu of the weekly hour of scripture lessons. The ethics course has been put together by the non-religious St James Ethics Centre and an internationally recognised specialist in philosophical and ethical inquiry for children, Professor Philip Cam of NSW University.

The first problem is that in 1980 the NSW Government bowed to the demands of churches and gave them, or continued to give them, exclusive rights in matters of morality and ethics in schools: "Schools are to support special religious education by ensuring that no formal lessons or scheduled school activities occur during time set aside for special religious education. Such activities may create conflict of choice for some parents and for

some students attending special religious education."

Later this current schools policy adds: "Schools

are to provide appropriate care and supervision at school for students not attending special religious education. This may involve students in other activities such as completing homework, reading and private study. These activities should neither compete with special religious education nor be alternative lessons in the subjects within the curriculum or other areas, such as ethics, values, civics or general religious education.''

The second problem is that the mainstream churches appear to have a hold over the NSW Labor Government, which is considering now the proposal for ethics classes but which has twice rejected a similar plan.

How do the churches explain their opposition to children learning about ethics when they could be learning about religion?

"The Inter-Church Commission on Religious Education in Schools would like the Department of Education to engage more energetically with the need for students to

have greater access to learning from and about religious practices and beliefs in Australia today. Religious knowledge needs to increase rather than decrease."

So, if you don't want your child soaking up their religion, the churches won't have your child doing anything constructive for that hour, and especially not learning about ethics.

Given the mainstream churches' evil tolerance of pedophilia and protection of pedophiles, I say they should take their clergy out of scripture lessons and send them to the ethics classes.

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Go to an Australian website called "Broken Rites" (google it). Then tell me religion should have authority over anything. My invisible friend is better than your invisible friend.
Posted by BR, 1/10/2009 10:11:18 AM, on The Herald
Jeff - your last sentence sums it up perfectly. How laughable that they assume any moral high ground. I'd sooner get my morals from Chopper Read than that lot.
Posted by Jim, 1/10/2009 10:14:34 AM, on The Herald
Jeff, the 'christian' approach to morals is flawed anyway. Their approach is: do this or don't do this - in order that you avoid (imaginary) hell and go to (imaginary) heaven. That serves only (imaginary) self interests - and how is that "good"? How about don't steal, kill etc - because it's just plain WRONG!
Posted by Jeebee, 1/10/2009 10:21:29 AM, on The Herald
I have held the belief that religion is a very outdated way of thinking for many years, it causes nothing but underlying tensions, not only between different faiths but also the people that have enough faith in themselves to not need a"god" to lean on . It is a worry that some parents do not teach what is right from wrong & I feel very sorry for teachers these days, but I agree with you religion does not practise what it preaches! Not sure what the answer is but we are all only on temporary visitor visas & when they expire , THAT IS IT ! so I think religion is way outdated & the youth of today know this & the decent well behaved youth still outnumber the so called "bad element" by a long way.
Posted by Ash, 1/10/2009 10:30:08 AM, on The Herald
If you read Richard Dawkin's excellent 'The God Delusion' - you will see atheists don't last in (or even get in) politics. The government even has a prayer before parliament starts. A huge bunch of "grown ups" believing in mystical mumbo jumbo. Laughable. Even K Rudd cites German theologist Bonhoffer as his inspiration. At least Santa Claus leaves presents.
Posted by Monkey See, 1/10/2009 10:43:52 AM, on The Herald
Churches have no place in public schools, and the acceptance of this garbage by the NSW Government is an appalling farce. I won't have my child indoctrinated with the narrow minded make believe, superstition, hypocricy and hocus pocus of any church, and I find it utterly insulting that any child would be sidelined for an hour while the other drones are brainwashed. Memo to Verity Firth : religious education is now irrelevant, and not something schools should bother with. Let the dullards drag their offspring to the temple for the Sunday brainwash, but don't waste school time with claptrap. Move on, and do something productive. Should the ACCC be involved in breaking up this monopoly? After all, the churches take lots of money off people.....
Posted by Abundance, 1/10/2009 10:53:36 AM, on The Herald
An alternative point of view succinctly put : "Christianity : the belief that a cosmic Jewish zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat fruit from a magical tree". Most other religions appear similarly ludicrous when distilled to an 'elevator pitch'. Eg : 'What is Scientology'?
Posted by Abundance, 1/10/2009 11:04:24 AM, on The Herald
Remember in 2005 when the then FEDERAL MINISTER FOR EDUCATION Brendan Nelson actually suggested 'creationism' (world is 6,000 years old etc garbage) could be taught in schools. Ok, they called in 'intelligent design' - which just means "Duh, I dunno how it works, um - God did it!" Jesus, please save me from your followers.
Posted by Noah's drowned neighbour, 1/10/2009 11:12:13 AM, on The Herald
I think that morals/ ethics of any religion became corrupted the moment that battles were won in the name of the god involved. The most important being Constantine’s victory that was attributed to the cross being painted on his soldiers shields because of a vision that Cons~tine had the night before. Christianity was then made official in the empire -thus the Catholic Church. The next I read of was a Scottish chieftain that won a battle because of him seeing the cross of St Andrew in the clouds and adopted that as a sign that St Andrew was smiling upon him. Thus St Andrew (-who had never been any further west than Greece) is a prominent western Golfing GOD, also an important part of our flag. It was all about who was a stronger deity and motivator of soldiers than ODIN. Ethics, morals, right, wrong they are really the choice of those that get Odin, god, Yahweh, Allah, St Andrew or whoever aligned with their king, people and country. The winners and their choice are then imposed on us all as the right thing. If ethics in schools is learning what’s right or wrong, what’s true or false early in life - bring it on - but where can we find people that can teach such things? God help us!
Posted by centurians, 1/10/2009 11:14:39 AM, on The Herald
a common thread in all the worlds major religions is the 10 commandments -they are not complicated and not difficult to understand. Until a multi trillion. trillion x any number dollar industry (maybe 90% of the total gross global product of any effort and output in history) called lawmakers , kings ,emporers ,lawyers etc got hold of the ten rules and made millions of rules out of them -all conflicting and requiring a luxurious and powerfull lifestyle for them to be able to enforce. umm read ~ "guide" their people with. confucious say "keep it simple stupid" ten rules is enough to pay anyone to interpret. Even then a fixed fee of $100 is enough for each "interpretation" of sin or not sin in easy terms of ten rules.
Posted by confucius, 1/10/2009 11:26:27 AM, on The Herald
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