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Storm versus flood insurance

NRMA Insurance scored a public relations coup in the first few days after the Hunter storms of June 2007 when it established caravan claims centres and announced that it would cover all damage. Some other insurance companies were beginning to quibble about whether water damage caused by inundation in some areas was flood or storm, and the crucial point here is that residential policies cover storm damage but not flood damage. NRMA took the goodwill lead and forced the other companies to follow suit, and I am among many, I'd imagine, who've switched home cover to the company as a result.

But it has let itself down in taking the lead now in offering flood insurance to householders. The problem is that it has not explained well enough that it is offering an extra cover, that it is not withdrawing any existing cover, and so some NRMA Insurance policy holders in flood-prone areas will believe they must pay a dramatically increased premium or be uninsured. Certainly that was the belief of my good friend Bill English, a Hamilton South resident who was quoted in a Herald news report about the flood premium this week.

An example of the confusion is in NRMA Insurance literature that says the new flood cover, which is optional for people in flood-prone areas, includes water escaping from "such as a river, lake, stormwater channel, canal or dam". Stormwater channel? Flood? Not covered by policies without the optional flood cover?

The head of NRMA Insurance's sales and service, David Brown, was emphatic and clear when I spoke with him yesterday. None of the company's policy holders would have less cover as a result of the new flood cover, he said.

Would NRMA Insurance's customers who were covered under the storm provisions for damage caused by the storm of June '07 be covered without the flood option if the same storm and damage occurred now?

Yes, Mr Brown said.

That is so much more clear than anything Bill had read or been told by the company's call centre. Indeed, he was under the impression that unless he trebled his insurance premium his home would not be covered for storm damage.

Was that your interpretation? Have you had a similar offer from another insurance company for home flood cover? And if you have a specific query about NRMA Insurance's flood cover I'll try to get a response.

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Im still thinking about this one, but wasnt there a historical incident back in Blackalls Park many moons ago (Toronto Workers Club was also flooded) whereby there was a serious argument about what constitutes a natural flooding event as opposed to a man made one. In the historical, Blackalls Flood Committee, if i recall correctly argued honestly that it was logs and debris that blocked the natural water course as they got caught and effectively dammed the flow by catching on the creeks train line & bridge. It was a huge insurance dispute at the time. With only more extreme weather events predicted its an interesting topic.
Posted by Weather Girl, 24/06/2009 9:03:28 AM
Well the insurances went up alot well mine did due to the 07 storm and I didnt claim. Maybe I should of. All little things like the wind lifted the tin from roofs and allowed water to come in. then its a snowball process. Insurance we should have but like everything else its seems to be if you want it you have to PAY what we say.
Posted by Yeah_right, 24/06/2009 9:14:39 AM
I have paid insurance for at least 20years & have never made a claim- even though we suffered minor damage in the 07 storm-as others were a lot worse off. I contacted NRMA & was advised my new policy to include flood cover would be over $5000.00 per year!
Posted by Annoyed!, 24/06/2009 10:07:02 AM
Residential insurance against flood for anyone deemed to be in a flood-prone area was always going to be very expensive. Even at the high premiums you've been quoted, Annoyed, it is very likely that your cover would be subsidised by those not in a flood-prone area. These people not in a flood-prone area are to get NRMA Insurance flood cover automatically for a small increase in their premium, when the fact is that their risk of flood is negligible if it exists at all. Their small increase in effect goes to help cover people whose risk of flood is both high and uncertain. It is important, too, for you to bear in mind that by not taking the extra cover you are not losing anything.
Posted by Jeff Corbett on 24/06/2009 10:57:42 AM
My home in Merewether NEARLY flooded - but didn't. Flooding would need to be worse than the June 07 floods for me to be affected...but the Council still deems my home to be flood prone. It simply is not. Homes a few doors away were affected, and the next street was a raging torrent. But not my place, and not the few adjacent neighbours. I'm with NRMA, and doubt that i will take the extra cover. I did get a letter explaining the details, but it was poorly communicated in the initial releases. I guess I should put the insurer and Council on notice that my place is not flood prone, if the June 07 experience is any benchmark. NRMA are surely obligated to tell policyholders in writing exactly what you have printed here, Jeff. Duty of disclosure, and all that?........
Posted by Abundance, 24/06/2009 10:18:03 AM
NRMA Insurance has a facility in its flood offer, Abundance, for policy holders to appeal against their assessment as flood prone. Much of the company's judgement, by the way, is based on local government assessment.
Posted by Jeff Corbett on 24/06/2009 11:01:08 AM
Insurance companies are reacting to the warnings, that the climate is going to be more servere and storms, flood and fire more frequent in the future. In reality, would you buy a home that is in an area classed as flood prone. After the June 07 floods, i think those areas are fairly well defined. A line has to be drawn, do we subsidise valuable coastal properties that are now coming close to falling into the ocean. And as climate change progresses there will be more. I appreciate that if you have a property marked as flood prone the insurance cost is going up. But does every home owner have to pay the cost?
Posted by Buell, 24/06/2009 11:22:35 AM
We are (currently) insured with the NRMA and suffered 'storm damage' during the June 2007 event. Here it is two years after the event and we are still waiting for the NRMA to make a determination whether they will be fixing our concrete swimming pool. After the first inspection about six months after the storm they agreed it was storm damage and it would be fixed, now two years later and they are now saying something between nothing and no sorry "was due to soil movement". Have heard the same happening now to other outstanding claims as well!
Posted by Mark, 24/06/2009 12:09:10 PM
Switch to GIO for automatic flood cover. Don't mess around with NRMA.
Posted by Micah, 24/06/2009 12:10:26 PM
If there is, as you say, automatic flood cover, does it apply to people in flood-prone areas? I doubt it.
Posted by Jeff Corbett on 24/06/2009 12:17:58 PM
I made a substantial dent in IAG shareholder returns after the Jun07 floods - we lost 99% of our contents, my wife's car and suffered significant damage to our home. NRMA were excellent on the car and contents front, not so hot on the home front. We ended up selling the place as-is and moved to higher ground - literally. It would take a significant Tsunami to innundate our current house, which means my Zombie Apocalypse bunker isn't at risk of flooding either. After Jun07 I would have thought that anyone in a flood-prone area (with the means) would exit, stage right, running all the way.
Posted by Scott Hillard, 24/06/2009 12:39:40 PM
"Would NRMA Insurance's customers who were covered under the storm provisions for damage caused by the storm of June '07 be covered without the flood option if the same storm and damage occurred now? Yes, Mr Brown said" If this is the case, perhaps NRMA are trying to convince customers to buy flood coverage when they don't actually need it, at least in the Newcastle area. It sounds to me that the “flood” they are talking about is one where it rains heavily in a catchment area and rivers and waterways downstream rise as a result. Certainly Maitland has shown itself to be prone to this sort of thing as have the northern rivers such as the Clarence, but I imagine probably not Newcastle, even in the lower lying areas. Perhaps some of our older readers might be able to comment. BTW Buell, is the "climate change" you refer to the predicted man induced version on based climate modelling or the well documented natural kind!
Posted by Directeur Sportif, 24/06/2009 1:41:28 PM
Jeff Re GIO, please i could be wrong (bit like Godwin Grech) but i think the TV advertisement says all home and contents policies include automatic flood cover, its not an extra but included in the general policy.
Posted by Nafe, 24/06/2009 1:44:21 PM
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