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The gauntlet of demerit points

Driving in NSW is running a gauntlet of surveillance devices intent on taking your licence. And all the while we are confronted by a speed-limit maze so complex it seems to be in cohoots with the speed guns and cameras. Speed limits that change several times within several kilometres, school zones that operate at certain times on certain days, and double points during holidays.

The number of people losing their licence to the demerit points system is approaching an epidemic and creating serious hardship to many in NSW. The loss of licence often leads to loss of job or livelihood, and from that point it is not far in these troubled times to loss of house and long-term disadvantage. One Sydney paper reported this week that 60,919 people lost their drivers licence to demerit points in NSW last year, a 50% increase on the previous year and almost double that of 2006. The fact that two low-level speeding offences, less than 15kmh above the limit, in double-point times is enough to take a licence puts this in perspective.

The NSW Roads Minister, Michael Daley, told me this week that his Government is "looking to amend the current demerit point scheme to make it fairer for motorists caught low-range speeding". The points table now is, he says, unduly harsh. As you'd expect Mr Daley makes such correct noises as "the easiest way to avoid copping demerit points is to obey the law".

I believe the Government may reduce the three points lost to a low-level speeding offence to one, and there may be other changes.

Apart from the deterrence and the cumulative impact, the value of demerit points is that they have much the same impact on everyone, rich and poor. The right to drive is the same for all. Fines, on the other hand, have such a massive difference in impact on people of different means that they are an iniquity. A fine of a couple of hundred dollars is nothing to many people, nothing, but to many others it is the week's food for the family. So demerit points are not all bad.

How can the system be further improved?

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The demerit point system was revised in the mid 90's making the penalties for low range speeding higher because, as you said Jeff, fines means nothing to some people where's we are all affected by demerit points. However since then people have on sold their demerit points. This has come so common place that they have brazenly placed ads in the paper to do it. Funny thing is they pay more money to sell their demerit points then waht the original fine was. The first step to improving the system would be to crack down on the on selling of dermit points.
Posted by renegade79, 26/02/2009 7:02:06 AM
Yes, I know of many cases where a person booked for speeding by a camera has paid someone to accept the demerit points. I've been surprised, too, by the low dollars involved, sometimes just $100! Husbands and wives swapping demerit bookings is very common.
Posted by Jeff Corbett on 26/02/2009 7:49:46 AM
TOOOO RIGHT! I am on zero points and had to sign a contract saying I will be a good girl so I wouldn't lose my licence. I've been driving for 25 years - have been involved in two accidents in that time neither of which were my fault. I have never ever gone out and intentionally broke the law by speeding. I drive a lot for a living all over NSW so am passing fixed and mobile speed cameras continually. I constantly see poor driving, excessive speeding, People txting or talking on the mobile while driving (including police). The only times I have exceeded the speed limit is by the less than 15kmh category and it's been a lapse of concentration. Some roads change speed limits several times over short distances. With the amount of time I spend driving it is inevitable I will sometimes drift up - unfortunately it has resulted in speeding fines. I know loads of responsible drivers that either have lost their licence or close to it for the same reasons. By all means if the speeding is excessive, pile on the fines and consider impounding and crushing cars - particularly for repeat offenders. However the current system creates hardship for good drivers. I abhor speeding and unsafe driving - particularly since I am on the road for long periods of time around these bad drivers. I quite like living thanks.
Posted by leahkf, 26/02/2009 7:10:10 AM
I think that the demerit points for p platers are particularly onerous. before anyone starts up with the line of what bad drivers they are just remember that we were all p platers and they are not all bad drivers. the majority are quite responsible . my issue is that if they fail to display p plates then they lose 2 of their 4 points. If it happens in a double demerit period then their license is gone. it is illegal to display them inside the car so they must go on the outside. People often steal them off cars, just to cause trouble, or they can blow off. It is quite difficult to purchase p plate holders because i have tried to get them for my sons many times and have gone to shops that specialise in car 'stuff'. but to no avail. I believe that it should be legal to display the plates from inside the bottom of the windscreen. what is the problem with this - the plate is clearly seen and cannot blow off the car or be stolen. imagine if you are a p plater and every time you get in the car you have to do a walk around to check for p plates. i think that is just ridiculous. people with a disabled parking permit are able to hang their permit inside the windscreen so why not the same treatment for p platers?
Posted by chameleon, 26/02/2009 8:39:43 AM
Jeff - ther are certainly more equitable ways to punish speeding, but the Minister is right - obey the speed limits and you will be ok. Some concepts proposed in the past have included non-financial measures such as mandatory suspension of licence for short periods for every offence (a week for first offenders? A month for 2nd offenders? 3 months etc etc), or 'current year only' tax surcharges for the bigger offences (eg, a 1% tax rate surcharge for an 'over 15kph' offence). these SEEM to apply the pain more equitable ~ Jeff rightly points out that a $150 fine is loose change for the wealthy (no pain), but a weeks food for the working poor (serious pain). What about mandatory community service? eg 4 hours for a minor offence, a day for a worse one, a month for a shocker? Leakf - I understand your points, but can't accept that a 'good driver' could justify 'a lapse of concentration', and be on zero points. Losing concentration can kill people! Drive within the framework, and nobody has a problem (inevitable exceptions will occur, of course).
Posted by StopPayingTheBludgers, 26/02/2009 8:46:02 AM
School zones are totally warranted and justified. Penalties should be tripled for offences in school zones. Hands off.
Posted by StopPayingTheBludgers, 26/02/2009 8:50:48 AM
Chameleon - you have got to be kidding! Holding a driver's license is a privilege, not a god given right. It is a license issued by the COMMUNITY, allowing a new driver to be on the road. It acknowledges that they are still very INEXPERIENCED, and need to show responsibility and respect. So, it comes with CONDITIONS! The statistics around P-plate drivers are horrendous. As a parent, I WANT the guidelines for P platers to be tough. If they have to check the p plates every time they get in the car (like we all used to do!) ~ great! Make 'em do it!! If that seems 'hard', maybe they are not mature enough to operate a car, and should have their license revoked. Is it also 'too hard' for them to check the tyre pressure? Or the brake lights? Or the oil level? This isn't Playstation, it's real life. We don't want soft, useless, 'help me', irresponsible young people on the road or anywhere else for that matter. Our young people deserve the RESPECT of being REQUIRED / ALLOWED to grow into mature, self reliant, responsible people. No cotton wool for my kids, thanks - they can handle the real world, no problem.
Posted by StopPayingTheBludgers, 26/02/2009 8:59:44 AM
yes sptb we should all drive within the regulations. I have been driving for 35 years and never been booked or had an accident but i think most people with a similar driving record, if they are honest, would say that they do drive safely most of the time but there are always times when you find yourself doing 60 in a 50 zone or going through a school zone and realising you forgot to slow down to 40 or you've slowed down to 40 at the start of the zone and you glance down to check speed and find you are almost doing 50. no one drives perfectly every single time they get in a car.
Posted by senior sergeant smith, 26/02/2009 9:03:46 AM
It seems now that if you want to drive legally in NSW you need to be at all times watching the side of the road (for signage) rather than the road. Whether this is driving safely is another matter. Last weekend I drove to Jervis Bay and back, in heavy traffic, and I know that on many occasions I could not be confident of the speed limit, as I was concentrating on driving and unfamiliar with the road. Thirty years ago you could deduce the limit by the road circumstances, whereas today the speed limit is basically independent of the road and changes with high frequency.
Posted by newtus, 26/02/2009 9:14:13 AM
SSS ~ of course ~ nobody's perfect. But your INTENT has to be that you will ramin vigilant, concentrate, and respect the rules. I'm not a Nazi, but people die on roads. There is no justification for going soft.
Posted by StopPayingTheBludgers, 26/02/2009 9:34:47 AM
I totally agree with 'stoppaying the bludgers'. If you drive within the rules, then there's no problem. People are so quick to pass the blame (and trust me, I see this first hand in regards to fines). Whether it's the position of the camera, or driving a new car they aren't familiar with, or because their GPS didn't beep before they approached the camera. At the end of the day, YOU control the car. If you have a problem drifting over the speed limit, then why not drive 5km/h under the limit to allow for that? Heaven forbid someone drive a bit under the limit. People are given a very generous leniency in regards to cameras and I have no sympathy at all for people who break the road rules. This talk about reducing demerit points is an absolute joke. When P platers get thrown on the front page of a newspaper, they suddenly bring in more rules to get them off the road.. such as speeding by 20km or more and you lose your car for 3 months. But when more full licence holders start disobeying the rules, they try and find ways to keep them on the road.
Posted by dontspeed, 26/02/2009 9:37:01 AM
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