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What drives the thugs?

How do you think the thugs who've been busily bashing the vulnerable in the Lower Hunter in recent weeks would see you and me? I'm sure they'd see me in the same way they saw Rikky Moncrieff as they bashed him senseless and jammed a broken glass or bottle into his face as he lay on the ground at the weekend at Birmingham Gardens. The only difference between Mr Moncrieff and me is opportunity. The low-lifes who king hit 62-year-old William Briggs at Beresfield railway station, and who appear to have put the boot into him as he lay unconscious on the ground, would gladly do the same to you and me if they had the opportunity. The gang of louts at Swansea - you know, the gang police and pollies told us did not exist - would be as delighted to bash you and me, separately of course, as they have been to bash any number of people in that Lake Macquarie suburb.

What is it that drives these young thugs to violence? In my column in the Herald today I put forward the proposition that they see themselves as separate from the community, and that this sense of separation has evolved to become isolation then animosity and finally hostility. We are seen, I suggest, as the enemy, and all is fair in war. But I don't know. I don't know how these young people can justify in their own minds patrolling the community for vulnerable people to bash and, as in the broken glass, to perhaps blind.

Do you know what drives them, what's going on in their head?

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Theres a wonderfull place, seperate from the rest of the community that these thugs can get to play pecking order (so to speak) with each other. They all must aspire to go there as their behaviour will surely make that a certainty? Bon Voyage we say?
Posted by notashrink, 29/07/2010 9:01:27 AM, on The Herald
To be honest I've no idea what they're thinking , I do believe that they think it makes them somehow infamous , the media I believe has also played a part in this , a certain Sydney newspaper is constantly reporting the social lives of the Ibrahim family as though they are "celebrities" to be admired , when in reality it would seem they are no more than violent thugs. The "do gooders" who try to find excuses for violent behaviour also have a bit to answer for as they supply a never ending source of reasons as to why these grubs act as they do - the reason they act as they do is that they can get away with it , maybe it is time for the old neighbourhood watch programme to be relaunched with a more "pro-active" approach this time . Rostered foot patrols by groups of residents that have had enough of the mindless opportune violence might help provide a deterrent - "vigilantes won't be tolerated" we are constantly told but I would ask , what choice do we currently have?
Posted by smithy, 29/07/2010 9:02:39 AM, on The Herald
they would find it exciting to be in control of a physical situation. knowing they can hurt someone and most likely not get hurt back. they probably don't play any contact sport and were probably bullied at school and probably belted a lot by their parents. their parents have a lot to answer for as far as i am concerned. if any of the ones we are talking about are reading this..... you are just low life scumbag cowards that don't belong in this society. a bullet to the back of the head from scott please. the bashings they hand out are potentially life threatening and they should face attempted murder charges. * a new law: if two or more people gang up on one person and assault them; they all will face attempted murder charges. simple and to the point. get rid of them.
Posted by judgedredd, 29/07/2010 9:05:18 AM, on The Herald
I agree, assault in company should be a special offence that carries a much greater penalty. And, I say, a mandatory jail term to spare us all the agony of the soft option.
Posted by Jeff Corbett on 29/07/2010 9:59:38 AM
Who cares what motivates them. I know what might de-motivate them: Putting them in a work gang in quarry where they bust rock for 12 hours a day for 5 years. Blow off some STEAM kids.
Posted by Sheriff Buford Pusser, 29/07/2010 9:43:54 AM, on The Herald
I can't wait to see what Scott writes..... However, I will most probably agree with him. I believe social security aided in breaking down the moral compass of a lot of families. A sense of entitlement becomes genetically imprinted in multi generational social security families. This then engenders a sense of difference - a them and us feeling. So you have to 'get them'. Any opportunity is a good opportunity in their minds. I believe round them up and send them to the slums of India or South America or perhaps some remote village in outer Africa and see how tough they are. Their minds are so small and underdeveloped, it's tragic and sad.
Posted by leahkf, 29/07/2010 9:44:14 AM, on The Herald
interesting subject . i find it fascinating how people in groups behave and do things they would never dream of on their own. i think it is a desire to feel they have some sort of control in their life.most likely they are from broken families with the majority of them suffering some sort of abuse or great loss which gave them a feeling of helplesness. now they want to replace this feeling with one of power and control. show me a man that has a good relationship with his parents and i will show you a well adjusted person ...
Posted by catl, 29/07/2010 9:48:59 AM, on The Herald
I lost a good mate last year who was bashed in Hamilton late November on his way home from a night out with his brother. What will the thugs get? Will it be worth the loss of a mate? I think not. Nothing can replace my mate, but these knobs will be out again in a few years.

Some young people show little care, remorse or affection for their actions. They just dont care, society owes them a favour for some reason. Is it the Video Game society that drives them, or have parents lost the plot of what they are supposed to be doing? I dont know what the fix is,...but start penalising the culprits of aggrivated assaults properly and the message will get through,..I hope.

Posted by Dave B, 29/07/2010 9:53:25 AM, on The Herald
For solution, please re-arrange the following words to your choosing: Head. The. Back. Bullet. To. The. Of.
Posted by Hott Schillard, 29/07/2010 10:03:06 AM, on The Herald
I remember growing up in the days where, if you got caught acting stupid in town, the local walloper would plant his size 12's in your backside or give you a clip over the ears and when you went home and told your father, he would repeat the dose. It taught manners, responsiblility and the fact your were not the toughest dude in town. Of course, there were no mobile phones or cameras in those days. Can you imagine some of the smaller Police these days getting onto a milk crate to deliver the punishment? Hoons and thugs have rights, law abiders have none.
Posted by MizJasper, 29/07/2010 10:09:56 AM, on The Herald
Judge has probably nailed it , we've had special laws enacted to try to halt high speed police chases , anti-hoon laws where cars are confiscated etc , a law that treats any gang assault as attempted murder along with the penalties that apply to that particular charge , while we're at it include home invasions and armed robberies as well. This crap has to stop sometime and we do have a State election coming up , get onto your local members and force them to act , that is what they are here for. Maybe what we need to do is have a class action by victims where the State govt is sued for not supplying a basic service ie safe streets / homes due to a lack of police ?
Posted by smithy, 29/07/2010 10:22:44 AM, on The Herald
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