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Willy on gangs

He may have had nothing to teach you but he did me, the good Prince William. It was his first serious newspaper article, early this week, and I read it because I have a soft spot for his dad, Charles, and I like to follow the career of our next Governor-General.

In that article, published in London's Sunday Telegraph, Prince Willy had this to say: "Former gang members have told me that it is precisely to find status, respect from others and the role in a community that we all crave that led them to fall in with gangs in the first place. One enduring feature of all gangs, and teams, is that they survive on mutual support. They allow their members to earn respect by obeying the rules, and they share clear objectives. Essentially, they allow the individual to belong. As such, the fundamental difference, so far as I can see, between violent street gangs and cohesive teams of contented young people is the destructive violence of the former set against the constructive comradeship of the latter. The challenge, therefore, seems to me to be how to turn gang members into team members."

I'm well aware of the enticements for young people of gang membership but I'd never thought of it in terms of status, respect and role. When I do, as I have since reading the prince's words, it seems to me that the prospects of diverting gang members to more constructive conformity might be better than I'd assumed. Is it possible that this is behind Hells Angels, The Comanchero, The Finks and others mentioned in a blog last week moving from bikie gangs to motorcycle clubs?

More seriously, what do you think of Prince William's scenario? Is there more we can do to constructively engage young people in need of status, respect and role?

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Thieving and voilence is no way to earn respect in our society. Until these crims are scared of retribution there will be no stopping it. Tough laws for tough kids. Start with cutting off a foot, this would ruin the effectiveness to steal and fight and would force them to hide in a 9-5 job or even top themselves, eitherway is a great result for a community who only want to go about their day without their lives being ruined.
Posted by Ray, 25/06/2009 10:11:22 AM
Ray did you even read the article?
Posted by Sc, 25/06/2009 10:22:08 AM
I had lunch on friday with a gang of a different ilk ,they adore Princes Charles and William and photos of the Queen are many, several royal books to read as well, you would be right at home Jeff.I shared a table with my mother and a group of friends, she is a new resident in an aged care home.While lunch of fish and chips might not suite you would very good at the story telling and telling and telling.For those who are truly old life is quite subdued but old age is a privilege that not everyone obtains.
Posted by chaff and oats, 25/06/2009 10:26:48 AM
Fish and chips sounds good! I've never forgiven Charles for swapping Lady Di for the Rottweiler.
Posted by Jeff Corbett on 25/06/2009 10:50:51 AM
Obviously it would be better to channel kids 'energy' and need to be recognised and respected into constructive activity for the community. Just how to do that is the question? Conscription into a homeland type army? e.g. An army that goes to natural disaster areas to help out. Yes DS human activity climate change does affect the weather, thereby storm activity, thereby beach erosion, fires etc. The helping out could be directed in all sorts of ways: rebuilding, revegetating etc. Skills could be learned, self respect gained which in turn would engender respect from peers. What about going to third world countries and helping to build classrooms, homes etc. or dig wells. Helping others and contributing to society does make you feel warm and cosy. So maybe youngens could play a much larger role in society?
Posted by leahkf, 25/06/2009 10:57:38 AM
I've decided it would be hilarious to host a dinner party with DS and Buell in attendance. Perhaps a debate with canapes? Jeff could be moderator..... And Senior Sargent Smith.... a really flat easy walk is along the walkway from Islington Park into the city.... or just the Yacht club. There is one part with a slight rise .... but it's a pretty easy walk. I've been taking my little cherub on that walk and it's really lovely.
Posted by leahkf, 25/06/2009 11:06:35 AM
There are different types of "gangs" that membership of is a good thing. I believe the Loft in Newcastle gives teenagers an outlet. The guys/girls who are involved in the organizing seem to have respect from others and a role in the community. The other thing we as elders in the community need to do, is listen. We know there are some very violent gangs around, i can think of many, mostly adults members. Give the youth more outlets, maybe a youth group set up to advise council would be a good start.
Posted by Buell, 25/06/2009 12:28:00 PM
Leah ~ spot on. Civilian National Service, run by the Dept of Defence. Yes, Defence. I wish it was in effect now, and wish it was in effect when I was 19. Every single bloke I have met that did 'nasho' is someone I can respect. They learned comradeship, teamwork, leadership and followership during that time. Our young people deserve the same respect and opportunity.
Posted by Abundance, 25/06/2009 1:24:03 PM
Life, and gangs are all about acceptance and feeling you are worth something. Obviously with some young, and older people, this "acceptance" becomes a little misguided or warped, and leads people to think doing just about anything is justifiable and acceptable if it means they gain acceptance from the people they put on a pedestal - even if that 'role model' is a sergeant-at-arms in an outlaw bikie gang, or the 'brain' in a juvenile ram-raid gang full of delinquents whose alcoholic/drug addict parents can't keep them in school. Any positive role model influence that can get youths interested in teams rather than gangs is worth supporting.
Posted by Bondy, 25/06/2009 9:00:07 PM
Compulsory 'Nasho' service is a soul destroying concept, designed to turn young people into thoughtless wimpering minions. It destroys individuality and enterprise, leaving empty shells that can be used as cannon fodder.
Posted by Jeff, 26/06/2009 5:01:44 AM
Rottweiller Jeff? No doubt if his is frequently a bad boy he would require a good beating so why not change the description to a boxer or a pug?
Posted by MizJasper, 26/06/2009 5:57:06 AM
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