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New theory may put location of Joseph Lycett painting in perspective

11 Jul, 2009 05:00 AM
A 200-YEAR-old mystery about one of Newcastle's most famous pieces of Aboriginal art history may have been solved, with a new theory about the location of a Joseph Lycett painting.

Lycett was a convict and one of Australia's earliest colonial artists.

The painting, done about 1820, was labelled as "Aborigines spearing fish, others diving for crayfish; a party seated beside a fire cooking fish".

Newcastle environmentalist Dianna Mannigel believes the location is the Eleebana bluff at Rocky Point on Lake Macquarie.

She said the ranges in the background could be Munibung Hill or Mount Sugarloaf, depending on the angle.

The ranges in the painting appear similar to Munibung Hill, but these days houses obscure the view to the hill from the bluff.

The most recent scholarly investigation into the painting's location, published in a John McPhee book about Lycett in 2006, suggested it was "possibly looking south towards the Bar Beach, Merewether Beach area".

Other theories have the location as Redhead or Swansea Heads.

Ms Mannigel said a $2.1 million cycleway around the bluff, which Lake Macquarie City Council plans to build, should include signs recording the area's Aboriginal history.

Mr McPhee's book, Joseph Lycett Convict Artist, said the painting featured Aborigines spearing mullet and cooking mullet in a fire.

University of Newcastle archivist Gionni Di Gravio said Ms Mannigel's theory had "added a new dimension" to the Lycett painting.

"If this is an identification, you're really solving a bit of a mystery that has been around since 1820, since he painted it," Mr Di Gravio said.

"It's fantastic; it's like having an early photograph of something that was going on for thousands of years before we arrived," he said.

Bahtahbah Local Aboriginal Land Council chief executive Michael Green said the painting could be of the bluff at Eleebana.

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If that rock outcrop in the foreground can be located below the surface then that blows the theory of human involvement in global warming. Just a thought.
Posted by Progressive Thinker, 11/07/2009 9:07:03 AM
The land formations and rocks are not the same shape. If this is because of artistic license, then the black people in the picture were probably not really there. The painting is a work of imagination.
Posted by Joe, 11/07/2009 12:48:19 PM
A geologist may be the best person to speak to concerning the picture's possible locations . The fallen boulders need to be established as possible to fall from any cliff strata of any suspected location. Also the rock shelf in the foreground is another clue -what does a local geologist think about that? Clues include geology, geomorhology, distant and nearby topography, distant landscape painted flora and the stated marine biota (is that mullet or crayfish?) I would suggest a voluntary panel of experts in each field give a score out of 10 for those "markers' (and any others that I haven't thought of) and then a man of statistics perhaps evaluate a possibility rating of where the location was. if it is to mean anything, every and more possibilities need to be assessed to count , maybe or discount all and every bit of evidence . CSI renamed as ALI (Artist Location Investigation) but to the best standards possible for some form of real not wishing standard. If we are interested lets turn "possibilities' into probabilities? Every and any location examined. Someone in Art (or any discipline applicable) could do a wonderful masters research thesis on that?
Posted by ALI -artist location investigation, 11/07/2009 1:05:22 PM
Ms Mannigel is on the right track, but may have over-shot the mark by one headland. A few years ago I saw a reference to Lycett's painting claiming that it was Redhead. Having grown up at Redhead and explored the bluff extensively as a kid I knew that was wrong. At the time I frequently paddled a kayak around Green Point in Lake Macquarie. I noted the similarity to Lysett's painting including the alignment with Sugarloaf, the rock promontary, the beach and even the large rock. They are all there. The scale is a bit out, but Lycett wasn't a photographer. Also, bear in mind the proximity of Threlkeld's mission at what is now Belmont. It is unlikely that Lycett would have wandered too far into what was still wild bush just to paint this idyllic scene.
Posted by Excastrian, 11/07/2009 6:07:31 PM
I went there the next day after the story came out. I initially wondered what it would look like at low tide (does the Lake have a low tide?). It appears to be the right spot, with the Munibung Mountain in the background with more 'hair'. I couldn't see the rocky outcrop in the water, or the rock shelf. But the interesting thing is that nearby there is a drain outflow, which may have been a natural stream 200 years ago, the area has undergone much earthwork, and areas could have been modified substantially. I notice there are also houses on the summit (I wonder if the top was taken off for the houses? The grassy slopes can still be seen. I think this stuff is fascinating.
Posted by tim machine, 12/07/2009 9:02:33 PM
The true aboriginal significance of what is now known as Lake Macquarie is often downplayed or ignored.WE all live or are nearby places that have highly significant names, using traditional Aboriginal words. eg Booragul, Boolaroo,Wangi Wangi, Buttaba, Kilaben ( Kilabin bin), Myuna, Pulbah, Eraring, etc etc Yet not much acknowledgement at all occured in any major projects approved for the area. Why was that? Thank you to the Herald for at least highlighting the topic for further discussion.
Posted by Wedgetail, 13/07/2009 9:14:40 AM
It looks as though the bluff has lost a third of its original height. Does anyone know when the houses on the top were built?
Posted by Digger, 13/07/2009 11:17:22 PM
Cycleway being built is at Red Bluff not Rocky Pt as stated in article. Land was first subdivided for houses at Rocky Point in 1938. The Bluff at 16fters Belmont, Green Pt. Valentine and Rocky Pt Eleebana all look similar. Rock outcrop could have easily been eroded or collapsed since the painting was done. Ive walked most of the way around Rocky Pt bluff at low tide some years back.
Posted by Octopus, 27/12/2009 7:54:55 PM

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VIEW: Dianna Mannigel in front of Eleebana Bluff at Rocky Point.- Picture by Simone De Peak
VIEW: Dianna Mannigel in front of Eleebana Bluff at Rocky Point.- Picture by Simone De Peak
 HISTORY: The Joseph Lycett painting of Aborigines.- Picture courtesy National Library of Australia
HISTORY: The Joseph Lycett painting of Aborigines.- Picture courtesy National Library of Australia
FEATURE: Silhouette of Munibung Hill. Picture by Simone De Peak.
FEATURE: Silhouette of Munibung Hill. Picture by Simone De Peak.

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