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Sceptics rebut sea level rise policy

01 Feb, 2012 09:18 AM
MORE than 300 people attended a meeting at Belmont 16ft Sailing Club last night to hear three climate change researchers challenge Lake Macquarie City Council’s sea level rise policy.

Prominent Hunter businessman Jeff McCloy called the meeting as part of his campaign for the council to review the ‘‘flawed policy’’.

Professor Ian Plimer, Professor Robert Carter and David Archibald spoke about their doubts about climate change predictions.

They used scientific language, a dash of humour and colourful quotes to make their cases.

The speakers referred to a lot of graphs and statistics, which some residents said were difficult to understand.

But several residents said the meeting showed, by the strong attendance alone, that there was concern about the effect the council’s sea level rise policy would have on their livelihoods.

Mr McCloy is planning a class action against Lake Macquarie councillors for devaluing and restricting properties with its sea level rise policy.

He told the audience that the council should show common sense and do nothing about sea level rise until evidence proved it was rising at levels that required property protection.

Professor Carter said distinguished scientists were ‘‘in this game of hyping up’’ climate change and sea level rise.

He said models that scientists were using to predict rising sea levels were ‘‘sheer fantasy’’.

He criticised Lake Macquarie council’s approach to the matter.

‘‘It’s insane public policy to base planning regulations on average global sea level,’’ he said.

Lake Macquarie mayor Greg Piper said the meeting was ‘‘not a debate, but information provided by one side of the debate’’.

In response to a question from the crowd, Cr Piper said he would work with state politicians to finance monitoring of lake levels.

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If climate change is as bad as people are predicting who would want to live in the houses at Stockton as they would be worth nothing.

Also why was the old Newcastle hospital allowed to be developed as that too would suffer from the rising seas?


Posted by BJ, 1/02/2012 4:48:02 AM, on The Herald
LMCC has a duty to future ratepayers to protect from litigation resulting from allowing developments in areas that may be prone to flooding. The limitations it is putting in place are in my opinion designed to prevent that.

I believe that Jeff McCloy is pushing a barrow of self interest that is most likely the norm for developers. LMCC has not reduced the property prices - the market will decide that. All the council has done has put information and strategies in place to ensure that ratepayers are protected and that this is a case of "buyer beware".

Posted by Chookman, 1/02/2012 6:14:39 AM, on The Herald
This is one man trying to maximise his investment.
Posted by Bangers and Mash, 1/02/2012 6:17:51 AM, on The Herald
Depends on the moon and the tides doesn't it, doesn't seem to be much change to me, learnt to swim in a rock pool in 1950 and today the sea levels are still the same.
Posted by jimbob, 1/02/2012 6:34:54 AM, on The Herald
A simple thing like predicting the daily weather is often beyond one lot of government employed scientists so why should we believe the other (mostly) government paid scientists peddling "climate change" (was that once "global warming"?).

The facts from geological history have always been there but it seems the new "science" of Environment is unable to absorb those facts, or comprehend them.

And then do Planners do any science in their training?

So what chance has the public got?

Posted by Justageo, 1/02/2012 7:02:47 AM, on The Herald
like i keep saying, all floods are not caused by tidal rises alone, but add in the eqaution of tidal rises and we are faced with a real problem. the council is trying to prevent that.

a possible alternative would be to take the flood level of the

'pasha" storm and use that to develop building codes.


Posted by just a thought, 1/02/2012 7:10:33 AM, on The Herald
These people are professional sceptics. I am waiting for any of them to explain some of the following - continual world wide retreating of glaciers, reduced snow falls worldwide, continuing melting of Arctic sea ice.

This group do not publish climate articles to be peer reviewed, have strong links to mining and developers, are always welcome in talk back radio land.

As for the Lake Macquarie City Council, if they allow developments to proceed, will that leave ratepayers open to substantial compensation if sea level do rise?

Lets have a debate, an informed one with all sides outlined.

Posted by Barry of Nambucca, 1/02/2012 7:35:15 AM, on The Herald
So there were 3 scientists who supported the McCloy position. What % of the overall relevant scientific community supports it?

I am somewhat skeptical of their motives and, whilst willing to accept alternative viewpoints, believe that based on the overall weight of evidence they are probably not correct in their conclusions.

Posted by Chookman, 1/02/2012 7:37:00 AM, on The Herald
These guys are champions.

If more people used common sense they would realise the whole man-made climate change/global warming thing is nothing but a load of rubbish.

I mean, look at the predictions made by some of the so called experts like Flannery/Gore:-

- No rains ever again in Australia. Since then we have had more rain than we can deal with.

- Increase in numbers/size of tornados in the US. This has not occurred.

- Increased temperatures and all ice melting. Ice is stable and it hasnt warmed in 10 years.

This is just a few however the trend is obvious.

Move on people.

Posted by The Gaz, 1/02/2012 7:52:18 AM, on The Herald
The meeting was excellent and a packed house with lots standing.

There was certainly some very sound information presented to indicate the rise would be nowhere near that originally predicted.

Posted by Bigfeller, 1/02/2012 8:16:51 AM, on The Herald
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SCEPTIC: Ian Plimer addresses last night's audience. - Picture by PETER STOOP
SCEPTIC: Ian Plimer addresses last night's audience. - Picture by PETER STOOP
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